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I’m not really sure where to ask this question. Maybe there’s a lemmy dev community where these kind of discussions already happen.

I feel like the default front page in Lemmy is still severely lacking when compared to Reddit’s r/all algorithm. I find hot and top hourly to be nearly identical. The top 6 hour is closer, but still not as good as what the Reddit default front page is.

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[–] AVeryCleverName@lemmy.one 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I sort by new. It seems to work. There's a severe lack of comments, which I am trying to do my part to rectify.

[–] Max17@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also when sorting by "hot" I see posts without any comments. Always been a lurker in Reddit, here i'm trying to make my best to comment whenever I have something "intelligent/funny" to say (Rarely but still... :D ).

[–] Impulsivedoorholder@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think some of these posts actually have comments, they just aren't loading or showing up on the instance for whatever reason.

[–] Max17@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Well that would explain it

[–] Dippy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I like top by 6 or 12 hours. Usually a pretty good mix of everything until something better comes up. Still tons of memes, but seeing more and more tech/pics/news/politics posts with it.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah that's something I'm noticing a lot too. It feels like, at the moment, a lot of the communities are communities in name only. People upvote posts when they see them but there's not much discussion happening.

Which is something that will improve with time, obviously.

I could go into all those common threads and start making comments but I feel like it would just be inorganic.

[–] Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've found "hot" to be really unusable.

Just yesterday I was still getting posts from over a year ago with zero comments every 6-7 posts as I scroll down.

I've had to just go use "top - last 6 hours" to actually find newer posts with comments with active discussions.

[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Yup, top for the last 6 or 12 hours is the best way to replicate the "front page" algorithm most people are accustomed to.

[–] ShowMeYourCock@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

There's a PR open for a better sort algo, so once everything is working well with it, then yes.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3378

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Lemmy has like a million users, Reddit has closer to two billion monthly active users. It's going to be a long time before Lemmy's homepage has the same activity as Reddit's.

[–] Izzy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

2 billion seems kind of high. That is like a fifth of the planets population as active users. I don't think they even have 2 billion registered accounts including duplicates.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I pulled that number from their corporate advertising report, so it's likely inflated. The number was 1.6 billion and I rounded up. My guess is that it's 1.6 billion impressions, not unique visitors.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I recognize this as well. Mostly I want to know that discussions are being had about a front page sort, and what those discussions might be like.

Even without the Reddit user count, I think the sorting should be better.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My only complaint is that it keeps showing me stuff I've already seen, even though I have "show read posts" toggled to off.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is that a feature of an app? Or built into Lemmy? I use Memmy, and that is a feature in there.

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[–] poquito_cabeza@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I hide every post after reading them, it's the only way I can have a feed without having old stuff popping up.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Until it's posted on the same community on a different instance. Ugh.

[–] lemming007@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] poquito_cabeza@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'm using vger.app

You just swipe all the way to the left to hide posts

[–] deeroh@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've switched from All to Subscriptions only, and I'm getting some really wonky Hot posts. The first ~20 posts are fine, but after that, it starts serving me reeeally old content. (Reproduced in multple apps, so it's not just Memmy).

https://imgur.com/a/xfi0xsY

[–] BitingChaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I had stuff in my feed jump from a few hours old to then showing things that haven't had a comment in TWO YEARS back to showing content from a few days ago.

There has to be a bug somewhere in Lemmy's API in regards to what posts are returned.

Edit: I just checked your screenshot. You're showing the same kind of thing I see.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Happening for me too, and I know many others, as sometimes the old posts will have new comments lol

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[–] klemptor@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Even on All I'm seeing the same thing with Hot.

[–] Chadus_Maximus@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The worst part is that it'd be so easy, too. Give me something with more than 10 comments that has more engagement than 10 comments/hour and we good.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I’m sure it’s more difficult than it sounds, I like the idea of creating a user created sort/filter feature. Just plug in the parameters you want to sort/filter on (total comments, comments in the last hour, total votes, etc), and save it.

I imagine users would share sorts that would eventually become popular on their own and get added as a default.

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[–] dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I sort subscribed by Hot and all by TopDay (visit once per day to find new communities). works fine for me.

[–] lumberjacked@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What would be really cool is a quick personalization algorithm. Call it MySort or something. When you subscribe to a community be able to add it to your MySort by "See All" "See Top" "See Less" "See All by this user in this community" "See All with this keyword"

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't have a problem with these sort options per se, but they do need some refinement. Basically, they need to age out sooner. Three-week-old posts are not "hot."

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[–] freeman@lemmy.pub 2 points 2 years ago

I am a pretty big fan of new comments as a default sort.

Top day or 12 hours for a rough daily digest.

And new for well…new.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I almost feel like “New” is the best option personally in terms of seeing better stuff, though it’s kind of hit or miss on how relevant it is.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

People actually read r/all? I always just kept to my subscribed communities…

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I hear that a lot, but it was the best way to see what’s going on all around Reddit. And when I got bored of that, I’d do the top hourly of r/all. That was much more hit and miss, but it was more fun to comment on those posts.

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