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Lmao. Shit, really?!

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] motherofmonsters@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No to White Aid, yes to White Out!

White Out

kelly Black Death

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago
[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure computers can't organically learn racism.

That was programmed in by somebody right?

[–] voight@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Run anti shoplifting pilot programs in stores with high shrink

They're in poor neighborhoods

Poor neighborhoods have more minorities

Computer thinks poor people are thieves

???

Profit

🤖 POOR SHOPPERS ARE JUST AS TALENTED AND BRIGHT AS WHITE SHOPPERS

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Racism in, racism out

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

People accidentally program computers to be racist all the time. It’s a perpetual problem in AI and image recognition.

Not that I’m going to go out in a limb protecting the people making the “likely shoplifter” AI. Everyone knows what results their bosses want.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's definitely just the thing where poor people are more likely to steal but women and minorities are poorer than white people so minorities/women are more likely to steal than white people before adjusting for income level

[–] kot@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What probably happens with those facial recognition programs is that the people who make them neglect actually training them at recognizing poc (they use tiny sample sizes compared to white people), which causes the program to work as if everyone who is not white is the same person.

[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Just as systemic racism isn't the result of one individual with bad intent that could be taken out to fix it, AI isn't any different than any other bureaucratic tool. They get trained on racist data, but the very goal of going after "likely shiplifters" is a racist end. Anyone that works retail knows how often managers are calling over radio asking you to keep an eye out for a black guy wearing a shirt. AI isn't really introducing new racism where less existed before, it just creates an excuse for the racism that it was totally the computer and not vague guidelines about "suspicious activity" we get told to look for with the complete understanding they mean black people who park too close to the store.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

AI already destroying jobs at the racism factories

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

oi wot if we made a robot that was racist

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Misidentified" aka working as intended.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Same stuff as having a million reasons cops are allowed to stop you that are all just a synonym for "you're black". Everything in this country is some form of beating around the bush in terms of stated reasoning.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

Breaking bold, new frontiers in automated racism

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

They can't even try to argue based on crime stats since Asian people have very low rates of conviction in most crime stats.

Crime stats are obviously bullshit, but this AI is too shit even for crime stats.

[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Nothing like a computer illiterate jackass getting a permission slip from a computer to go be racist, so the store can pretend the massive humiliating scene they caused was entirely the fault of not reading the computer right.