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Switched from Manjaro to Fedora after being told Manjaro is "a bad distro" by many. Looking for a telnet terminal such as Syncterm to run on rpm or flatpak. (lemmy.zip)
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Welp, I made a similar thread yesterday regarding Manjaro but I decided to swap to Fedora as my daily driver for stability purposes. Unfortunately since fedora is yet another non Debian distro I need help finding a Syncterm replacement.

I'm my previous thread it was pointed out to me that syncterm has a docker option which I can run on Fedora, but I'd prefer running an app locally if possible.

I tried the Syncterm snap package which boots inside bash, but it doesn't have ANSI support (which is the entire point of using Syncterm) since I assume it's simply piggy backing off of bash- hence the 1.5* review on the snap store.

Looking for options.. if anyone can help a Linux noob I'm all ears. I tried Alien to convert deb to rpm and fell on my face.

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[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

If you are looking for something a little more stable than Manjaro but still Arch based and beginner friendly EndeavorOS is a good option.

Not an answer to your question or suggesting you jump from Fedora just putting it out there.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

These days, there is also the official guided installer for arch that may be worth a try. I had similar issues with Manjaro, but since this has been around I've never had a reason to try any arch derivative.

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[–] fxdave@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

My brother had that OS. It worked fine until it got a bug that the computer froze when he enabled the wifi, and the only way to stop it was pressing the power button. I couldn't figure out the cause, and there was many unnecessary things coming with the OS, so I helped him to install Arch instead. Now, it works well and feels clean.

EDIT: based on the comments, the issue happened with arch too.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Odds are it would have come up on a regular Arch install too, and simply reinstalling is what fixed it.

EndeavourOS is essentially just a GUI installer for Arch with some defaults changed.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was wondering this, too. I'm too new to Manjaro to have any opinion about its long-term stability, but it doesn't make intuitive sense to me that Manjaro would be less stable than a distro that is based solely on the AUR.

I wonder if Arch newbies choose Manjaro initially, improve their knowledge of Linux, then switch to Arch if their installation fails. After that, having reached Linux's final boss, they know that all further problems in Arch are just part of the experience.

Or is it maybe that Arch installations are often more minimalist than Manjaro and so are less likely to have conflicts? By way of example, and going from memory, the base EndevourOS install is around 900 packages, while the base Manjaro install is over 14,000 packages.

I really like my Manjaro installations, so as you can imagine, I'm hoping it isn't an inherently flawed distro.

[–] CubitOom 5 points 2 years ago

I've been running Manjaro for about 6 years. I've only had self induced issues.

  • I restarted during a GPU driver update
  • I only used pacman to do system updates and it kept failing. I needed to use pamac for those round of updates instead.

Arch is a better OS in that you have more control of exactly what it will do. But Manjaro also provides a great experience out of the box with all the major DEs. It really comes down to how much convenience are you willing to trade for control.

For what it's worth, I've only noticed the slower Manjaro repo helping me once when steam fonts broke on the arch repo. So I basically had a warning and was able to switch to the beta version of the steam client to avoid that issue. So the slower Manjaro repo is not a selling point IMO, but the DE tweaks and configurations are.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

Looks like they've gotten better in the last year or so, but there's a pretty strong pattern of fuck-ups that have put a lot of the community off of Manjaro: https://manjarno.pages.dev/

[–] HatFullOfSky@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

If this was a recent occurrence, it may have been from the 6.6.5 kernel. There was a WiFi regression in that version that did exactly that, slowed the system to an absolute crawl. I got hit by it on my PC and ended up hosing my whole install (because I panicked and botched things up), but my laptop was fine. I finally got things reinstalled a couple days later when 6.6.6 was released, which fixed the regression anyway.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I get it but that sounds like a bit of a niche problem and I don't know if OP, as a beginner, would have much luck setting up Arch on their own without running into some weird issue of a similar caliber.

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[–] kuneho@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (6 children)

if you feel comfortable with Debian based distros (or at least, to my understanding), why not use... Debian? or a Debian based system?

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[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Have you considered using Arch on which Manjaro is based?

This way you won't have issues with AUR. It's not hard to install, you can use archinstall helper if you want, it's available in the default installation media.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If they want a full-fledged system running Arch, then EndeavourOS might be the best bet. Archinstall is great for quickly installing Arch but there's still quite a lot of set-up required after that, and for some people, they don't really want to do that. EndeavourOS is essentially a ready-made Arch set up (or as another person said here, a very opinionated Arch install), and is based on Arch's repos but has its own extra repo for its own software while Manjaro holds the packages back for two weeks (which creates sync problems with, say, the AUR)

[–] callyral@pawb.social 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

there's also Endeavour which I'm pretty sure uses the Arch repos

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Uses exactly the Arch repos and kernel. EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install than a stand-alone distro. This is not a negative comment as I am an enthusiastic EndeavourOS user.

[–] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install

Fellow EOS user and this is a hilarious yet accurate description. Still have vanilla arch but EOS on my laptop now since I tend to mess with it often.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

God damn these replies are braindead

https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=5658

Auto script that builds and installs for both Debian and Fedora.

Unfortunately, no RPMs exist on repos and COPR, which is Fedora's AUR.

spoiler

Although considering the AUR package hasn't been updated since June of last year, I doubt having a COPR build will be beneficial.

Nevertheless, it would be useful to have an available RPM. If I get time, I can submit one to COPR.

[–] SquigglyEmpire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Good god, someone who actually read the OP's question and replied with information respondent to it instead of just shrieking "how dare you not use the distro I like" at them. I was starting to think that was banned around here :)

[–] jezebelley3d@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

I could kiss you! It worked! Not only was this solution great, but I also learned how to run a bash script and grab dev libraries to execute ncurses and make commands.

Thank you SO much!!

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[–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

EndeavourOS is probably what you are looking for. Almost vanilla arch with a desktop capable package base, calameres GUI installer, no delayed updates, and some neet build hooks

[–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You van try creating an arch linux distrobox and install yay inside that

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 10 points 2 years ago

Don't understand why you're being downvoted, this is definitely the cleanest solution.
There's also a new handy app to manage the containers of distrobox: BoxBuddy, I've just noticed it switched to Rust and GTK now and, even better, it's right there on Flathub!

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Consider building it from source. A quick websearch for Syncterm Fedora and Syncterm Build had a few tutorials.

Or try taking a look at the AUR pkgbuild file, it's basically an install script, might give you clues on how to build it yourself if you want to experiment and learn :)

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[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Syncterm seems to be available in nixpkgs. It's trivial to install Nix (the package manager, not NixOS the system) on top of any system you choose and then add one or two packages you need, in this case just Syncterm.

[–] qqq@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not trivial on Fedora due to SELinux; you'll need to use https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer

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[–] juli@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I have no idea what syncterm is, a link would be useful. I can only find scetchy things.

But you write that it's available for debian. Then just use distrobox and installl syncterm in a debian image and export it.

  1. Install distrobox https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Distrobox
  2. Use prefered image https://github.com/toolbx-images/images
  3. Use debians package manager and install package
  4. Export if needed https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox/blob/main/docs/usage/distrobox-export.md
  5. Enjoy
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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why do people use the aur on manjaro? I thought they specifically say that the aur is not supported on manjaro.

[–] mex@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why use an Arch-based distro if you can't use the AUR? It's like one of the most, if not the most defining feature of them

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[–] KRAW@linux.community 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AUR is also not supported on Arch, so support has nothing to do with it.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 years ago

On Arch the AUR is made specifically for arch users so while not supported by the distro Arch is supported by the aur.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

That's what I was wondering. Seems like a recipe for disaster having your main system be several versions behind them shoehorning bleeding dependencies for AUR programs into the mix.

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[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You can just install Arch in a distrobox if you want or a debian + children in a distrobox, install the app and it should launch from your launcher like any other app you use. Distrobox is fantastic.

When I need to install something from the AUR, I just enter my Arch distrobox and do it, same for Ubuntu and stuff.

Edit:

I forgot to mention that you'll need to use the distrobox-export command to make it so you can launch an app like any other easily from your launcher.

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[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you don’t want to use Nix packages or DistroBox, you can try an alternative which is in the fedora repository, like Qodem

[–] jezebelley3d@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago

Qodem is in the repo?! I'll just use that! Thank you.

[–] ani@endlesstalk.org 4 points 2 years ago

Why didn't you install Arch OP?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You can get any software from any distro with distrobox.

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[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's trivial to set up a fairly solid up to date rolling release on debian if that's what you prefer, stable isn't the only release debian offers.

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