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I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I'd rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

Literally anything regarding China, especially Xinjiang if you talk to anyone from international-community-1international-community-2

I was talking to a mate about Palestine and he immediately went for the "bUt TiAnAm3n SqU@r3 k1LLeD oVeR tEn Th0uSaNd" and the "Ch1n@ cEnOcIde iN UygHuRs Th0" with the swiftness of a 737 flying into the 2nd tower. They will disregard who originally makes these claims and are 100% unfazed by say, World Uyghur Congress being totally in support of the genocide in Gaza, the response being either dismissal or "you're too much into politics and also ableism".

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

America might be flawed but it’s still overall a force for good in the world.

Biden might suck but we should still vote for Democrats on the state or local levels and participate in the [nonexistent] primary to put pressure on Democrats because they are clearly better than Republicans and progressives would never lie to us (cough bernie cough fetterman cough AOC).

Communism is impossible because it goes against human nature.

China is capitalist.

Organizing for revolution in the USA is hopeless.

It’s impossible to scientifically understand human societies, even though humans are part of nature and nature can be scientifically understood.

We can solve all our problems with technology alone. There’s no need to change anything else.

Things will be better in the future even if I don’t actually do anything to make them better. (This one has been an issue for me. “The future” for a Marxist like myself isn’t terribly different from religious visions of paradise.)

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"You're too much into politics"

Said by people who are unwilling to admit they're on the wrong side. Or in a more extreme setting (like say, South Africa during apartheid), they'd most likely report you to authorities or outright even kill you.

[–] oriond@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The US military is there to protect their country's "Freedom"

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[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

"we are free"

[–] DBVegas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Switching to electric cars will save the planet. Not when they increase tire pollutants at higher rates and still rely on fossil fuels and fracking to charge their batteries.

Also for the US specifically that we can't afford universal healthcare.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That global poverty has declined because of the spread of liberal economies

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

News ownership has consolidated over the last 40 years from around 40 companies in the 1980s to 6 today. This is that "liberal news media" conservatives keep yammering on about. The one that's owned by 6 corporations.

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[–] Idefinitelydonotknow@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I have not seen this mentioned before, but the Teslas people buy in the US isn't helping the environment. You just are saving on fuel!

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

USA Civil War: It was only the Southern states that were racist.

USA Civil War: The Confederacy was "only fighting for its way of life". With the hope that most USA'ians will assume that "its way of life" was anything but slavery.

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[–] a_fan_of_privacy@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I came into the comment section hoping for interesting things, but knowing it would be almost all political. Why do I keep doing this to myself, I know better.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I feel you, but when the topic is propaganda, politics is inevitable

A bird for your troublesparty-parrot

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

What were they expecting 😭😭 what even is a non-political "big lie"? That the earth is round or something???

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's a TVTropes page for things like this, of course.

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[–] mydude@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

"This war is different, this war is nessasary" "This is the most important election of our time" "Invasive surveillance is done for your protection" "We only censor misinformation"

[–] taanegl@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Liberalism.. that is classical and neo-liberalism, as they were invented by a bunch of lords and sir's who were angry that the monarchy was getting a cut. It's the preferred ideology of the finance industry, as they can't have liberationism or lazze fair capitalism because the guillotines would roll out much too quickly. But they sure can define global markets and the value of currencies.

Watch US pundits harp on and on about the monarch's of Europe, but not a squeak about the aristocracy or the barons. It's also funny to note that because of goal post moving, liberalism which technically is slightly right from center, has become "left wing". So when you tell Americans that technically they have two right wing parties, they lose their absolute shit.

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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

the vast majority of americans believe the obvious lie that buying things can make you happy

Death to America

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 years ago

That the 2020 election was stolen.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

That the 2020 election was stolen via widespread voting fraud.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Capitalist realism

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