Full conference room for the talk about Solarpunk at the CCC congress in Hamburg.
I like this flag better:
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this post was submitted on 28 Dec 2023
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I don't get how LGBTQ colours should be used as the flag of the movement. While solarpunk ideas are inclusive by their very nature, I don't think two ideas being compatiable means they are the same idea....
Yeah...this flag really obscures the concept. It goes to show you that it's not an "official" movement (at least not yet) but an idea.
Absolutely agree. What a terrible flag
I don't think there is anything terrible about it. It might make a lot more sense if we know the context of the presentation.
It's a rainbow flag. This flag has a way bigger history than just LGBTQ+.
Cool, I didn't know about some of these, like the connection to the coop movement. However, like all symbols, it has its history and its current use. Since it has been connexted to the queer movement since 1970s I think is fair to expect the vast majority of people to connect it to this movement (and is also fair to the movement as well)
The talk itself was disappointing though. I get that the theme was optimistic story telling, but why invite a speaker that has little to say about Solarpunk other than some plattitudes? At least they could have mentioned some examples or put up some links on the slides or so.
Really a wasted opportunity 😑
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but their use of comic sans is fitting for the flag. It all looks very amateurish.
Does everything need a flag?
Does everything need to be on the pride flag is the real question
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Rainbows really don't need any extra colors or symbols. The whole point was that they're already covering the whole spectrum. Giving everyone an extra color completely defeats the purpose and singles out all those who aren't having their unique color added to it.
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That's quite over-dramatic, especially in a German context with what the Nazis did to gay people, and completely ignores the point I made.
Then I'm sure you're also familiar with the ransacking of Hirschfeld's Institute for Sexology in 1933, where some of the first treatment plans for trans people were developed. It was a place where gay people and trans people were accepted and treated with respect by medical personnel.
That famous picture of the book burnings? Those were patient records and the research archives of the institute. So no, it did not just start with gay people, and trans people's persecution by nazis was relevant to bring up because it's one of the first kinds of persecution the nazis did. Dismissing that is ahistorical and dismissive of the history of oppression of trans people.
The base flag is always just the rainbow. The other additions are meant to highlight whatever needs highlighting. In LGBTQA+ contexts, you can add the trans and poc and whatnot because those are marginalised groups that deserve some extra visibility.
They made a choice to use a space typically reserved for POC and trans people.
Reserved by whom? The CEO of gay? The rainbow includes everyone already.
As long as there are transphobes flying the rainbow flag, no it doesn't.
This! People don't seem to understand that there is transphobia in the queer community and it's bad :(
yeah, its to the point where when I see a rainbow flag I automatically go "This is not for me, this person is not safe" Same with the still prelavent "Love is love" slogans. That's great, but I'm aroace and trans so uhhh? Guess I'm not included. Better be safe than deal with a transphobe (and be sorry)