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Climate change is a hoax /s (lemmy.ml)

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[–] ghostBones@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Climate change" is obsolete, now it's "climate crisis". I suppose after that it's climate collapse and then climate desolation.

[–] GataZapata@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Climate apocalypse pretty soon. Maybe climate collapse of society first, briefly

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd say climate apocalypse and climate societal collapse are the same thing. Apocalypse doesn't mean extinction, otherwise how would we have a post-apocalyptic world?

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[+] TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

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[–] Droggl@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except in germany noone would ever dare blame/restrict private cars in any way. See eg the ridiculous "discussion" on a potential highway speed limit. For non-germans: Yes, speed on highways is generally unrestricted and for some reason that seems to be more important to us than safety or protecting the climate.

[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

Ya.. but you can't blame the poor volk. Since the war ended we've been praised for our Autobahns. Our Autobahns are the best and fastest and most reliablest, we are always on time and don't get me started on precision. Just how precise are we Germans? Who cares about enviroment, we are the best in something! Fuck nature. Like the boys from Kraftwerk sang:

♬
Autobahn
Autobahn
♬
Wir fahr'n, fahr'n, fahr'n, auf der Autobahn
Wir fahr'n, fahr'n, fahr'n, auf der Autobahn
♬

..it's a banger tho..

[–] dummbatz@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless you’re German, in which case this is exactly what happened.

It's not what happened.

Nuclear power got replaced by renewable energy. Gas was mainly needed for heating (~50 % of households use gas, ~25 % use oil) and the industry (steel, glas....), much less for power. Germany even reduced their gas consumption heavily. The gas used for power is roughly the same amount as before shutting down npp.

[–] rentar42@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except fossil fuel production went UP when "renewable replaced nuclear".

While renewable was built out quite a bit and nuclear was decreased at roughly the same time, total demand has risen (as it tends to do) and that delta was filled by more fossil fuel production.

IMO (and many other peoples) the climate-positive approach would have been to keep nuclear, while building out renewables and phasing out fossil. And then try to build more renewables to get rid of nuclear, if that's still desired.

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[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Nuclear (+ renewables) powering walkable cities ftw.

Not even just for the climate, we'd probably cut asthma and a dozen cancer rates with the clean air.

[–] GataZapata@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How exactly has Germany restricted private cars? And if they are so restricted, why are they still 20% of our emissions? https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/daten/verkehr/emissionen-des-verkehrs (correction: private cars 12, transport lorries 8)

Also here is the current mix of energy sources https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Strommix-Deutschland-Wie-ist-der-Anteil-erneuerbarer-Energien,strommix102.html

Germany has chosen renewable over nuclear. I am glad we did. I am not happy they restored some coal, but if you compare to earlier levels also visible in the article, you will see an overall reduction. Leaving out that we have been phasing out nuclear during the last 15 or so years to build more renewable and then being like 'look, no nuclear, such a lack of responsibility!' smh

Your comment seems intended to agitate international readers with false portrayal of facts and glossing over stuff via sarcasm. Shame on that kind of behavior just to push your views.

[–] capy_bara@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Build nuclear AND restrict cars

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While also having one of the highest energy prices in Europe.

But seriously we should try to cut the percentage of our electricity that is being produced by coal. This should be our first priority, even if it means to temporarily replace it with gas. Then gas emissions are once again on the rise due to the general trend of producing ever bigger cars.

Meat consumption and deforestation, combined with higher risk of wild fires, etc.

I hope in the future we manage to create sustainable nuclear fusion reactor and we ditch all non renewable energy sources.

[–] ydieb@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A high carbon tax would fit perfectly. Introduce it at the start of the system such that it directly affects those that pollute the most, and vice versa.

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[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So even if climate change isn't real (which obviously it is.) What's the down side? We invest in renewable energy, not pollute as much. Oh the horror!

[–] cerevant@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Because the people who made money investing in the old way stop making money. That’s it. That’s the entire problem. The fossil fuels industry wants to keep making money, and the politicians who are bribed by them want to keep getting bribes. So they create a culture war so the facts don’t matter.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Which is just blatantly straight up evil. They are evil people destroying people's lives for profit. And everyone is just hunky-dory with it.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

I've said for years that the deniers and fossil fuel barons will be looked upon by future generations as some of history's greatest villains. They will be seen in much the same light as a Hitler or Stalin or Mao.

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[–] ShortShiftingT@feddit.ch 12 points 2 years ago

I'd add that especially in developed countries, we have gotten used to the high energy-density of fossil fuels, which is the result of millions of years of pressure, temperature or in short: energy. And we are using up this energy within two centuries. This resulted in the unsustainable lifestyle (it's everywhere we look), that would have to be curbed, if we were to get off this Jurassic Park Experiment completely.

Therefore a number of people see their very (unsustainable) way of life in jeopardy. This source of resistance is what gives that culture war BS its fuel in the first place. At least in my experience of talking with people it is this negative emotional place that leads them to embrace false information in order to keep their lifestyles. Which in turn makes cooperation impossible. To make it even worse, people in developing countries now aspire to the same lifestyle - and who can blame them? But I don't trust their (or ours for that matter) politics enough to hope for scientifically sound action to get there.

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[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We’re fucked.

[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We are fucking ourselves. Which sounds nice, but not in this context. I guess our grandkids will have to get a taste for cockroach and muck. At least we can eat and drink and enjoy the sun like kings of old...

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I think the conservatives don’t disagree that climate change is real, they disagree that humans are responsible. To them it’s things like El Niño or solar activity.

[–] HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No, there are a lot of conservatives that think it’s entirely made up

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And they're wrong according to virtually every person who actually studies the climate for a living, so they might as well pretend it's made up.

And it's stupid anyway. You might be able to deny human-caused climate change, but you can't deny smog and pollution. Greener energy sources mean less smog and pollution. Why isn't that a good thing to them?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

It's a fundamental lack of understanding of math and science.

There's a video going around conservative circles talking about how CO2 only makes up .04 percent of the atmosphere, and therefore even if it were doubled it would be less than 1/1000th of the atmosphere, so it's not worth worrying about.

I tried to explain to my father that that's exactly why we're able to have such an impact. They don't understand that we're able to make a much larger relative impact on CO2 versus Nitrogen and Oxygen and therefore a larger impact on global temperatures.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It's actually a spectrum of disavowal of responsibility:

It's not happening.
Even if it is happening, it's not our fault.
Even if it is our fault, there is nothing we can do.
Even if there is something we can do, it's too late to do anything.

It's just that the first stage (denialism) is starting to become untenable.

[–] Syd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Even if it isn't too late to do something it's the others that should do it
Even if we are the ones that should do something, it's down to everyone individually so no job for the politicians
Even if it is down to the state, sorry it's too expensive.

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[–] Mog_Spawn@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

[–] fietsbel@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago

looking @ the conservatise political programs, they realize people will die due to climate change, but their solution is more babies (ergo, forbid women to stop/prevent pregancy), not stopping climate change...

please keep voting on them /s

[–] arin@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The world is literally on fire

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[–] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yippie! I love global warming!!!!! Thank you big corporations you are so cool!

[–] arin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Way beyond warming, it's global roasting

[–] Uphillbothways@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The dead walk. Zombies have arrived. They are us.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 9 points 2 years ago

I'm not fully convinced yet.. maybe if it was four weeks with records broken every day, then I'd really consider changing my mind. But probably not because it was all made up by Al Gore.

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why is the world so much hotter during the Northern Hemisphere summer?

[–] krzyz@szmer.info 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As far as I know that's mostly because there's much more land in the Northern Hemisphere and the temperature differences (day/night but also summer/winter) are much more pronounced over the land than over the sea: the land heats and cools faster.

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Thanks buddy! Wow on Lemmy people actually answer your questions that come late in the thread. Incredible.

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[–] Lodespawn@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Interesting that despite it still being summer and roasty toasty in the southern hemisphere in January, the world average temp is still lower than the northern hemisphere summer.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The southern hemisphere has a lot more water surface area, which has a larger heat capacity, is somewhat reflective, and a lower density / conductivity.

This is why Australians and Brazilians are known to be amphibious during summer.

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[–] Razgriz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If I'm not mistaken, before recording temps earth started as a molten volcano ridden planet billions of years ago, no?

Compared to that this is just a slightly warmer ice age. We good.

Checkmate Thunbergers!

[–] GataZapata@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

See this to visualize time frames on this kind of stuff

https://xkcd.com/1732/

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