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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You got a raise? It’s my raise now.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago (6 children)

i got rent increase notices immediately after every 'covid check' was announced.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which is why I plan to never move. My rent has never gone up and I keep printing out and signing extensions. I have the laziest landlord ever. Guy can't even be bothered to raise my rent since that would involve some level of work on his part.

[–] dabu@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He may just be satisfied with you as a tenant and doesn't want to raise the price so you will stay. Not every landlord is a dick.

Or he's just lazy as you said.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I'd second the "not every landlord is a dick", some will even lower the rent price when the demand goes down even though I continue to rent, not start a new one.

But that's relatively rare, unfortunately

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They should abolish buy to let mortgages. How is it fair that a renter literally pays for the mortgage by proxy but doesn't have a stake in the home.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am not being snarky. Can you explain your comment? I don't understand what you are saying.

[–] owen@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A common landlord technique is putting a minimum down payment on a house and having their renters pay off the morgage. I think the above commenter is saying that it should not be allowed to get a massive loan on a house that you aren't going to live in.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People (talking mom & pop) should not be able to purchase a home simply for the purpose of renting it out.

I agree with that.

The problem is the reason people do that is because of a few things.

  1. The ROI is absolutely retarded. My last house (I live in don't rent) I made 800k in 10 years. That's insane. Find me an index that turns 500k into 1.3mil in 10 years
  2. Passive income if you don't do shit that landlords should be doing like regular maintenance.
[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bourgeoisie loves this one neat trick: just let a few of the poors own a little something, and they'll fight off the rest of the poors without even needing to be told.

Seriously though, anyone want to sell out a generation for a bit of land and monies? I mean, you'll never be able to pay for unnecessary things with just values and integrity

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I will go to my grave that society writ large is broken. It's not just the rich. Everyone has become a selfish turd out to get a buck on the backs of everyone else. The difference is that some of us are self-aware enough to see it in ourselves.

It's depressing if you don't step back and laugh at it all.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

S&P 500 did better than that in the last 10 years. I really hate that housing has gone the way it has, because on average it's not as insanely profitable comparable to other asset classes as people make it out to be, it's pretty comparable.

I wish it wasn't comparable though, because we're just parking a ton of cash to do nothing with it.

Capitalism is dumb.

[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True except it's a little different than equity investments because of the ease of leverage. No one is going to loan me a half million dollars to invest in the S&P500 but they'll have no problem giving me a house to rent out (if I can prove income).

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[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think the mom and pops are really the problem (in fact, this is I think one of the few viable ways for regular people to actually get ahead) but all of the things surrounding housing. One can get place renting for $2k, but can't get approved for that mortgage amount even with tons of history showing it's paid. Corporations owning massive amounts of property are also a much bigger problem. Appealing to an individual (mom and pop) is generally a lot easier than to try to appeal to a corp in which you're just Lessee #4949857 who's spreadsheet tells them to squeeze you for more money because.

Past that, I'd also argue renters need much more support when it comes to their rights because quite a lot of the things that people are posting here as anecdotes to why their landlords are shitty are already illegal, it's just extremely difficult to get anything done about it. I'd suggest also that there was some regulatory body (if one doesn't exist already) responsible for certifying housing/landlords because then at least shit would get fixed once a year.

My only half-decent experience renting was a blue-collar mom and pop who leveraged their own home to buy a second home to rent, that they rented significantly under market value. If anything, we should be trying to setup more systems that allow this outcome (they fucked me on the deposit though, but that's the part about renter's rights.)

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
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[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The system is ~~broken~~ working exactly as intended.

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago

Is this 2/3s of income plus tip or is the tip included? Because if you want to save money, tip your landlord less!

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

In my area it's more like 13/12ths

[–] Novman@feddit.it 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I have seen the amount paid in property taxes in USA via Zillow and... It is HUGE. No surpries that rents are so high. Rent have to cover minimum taxes, maintenance and part of house value. These expenses set the minimum value of a rent. But why you have so high property taxes? Cause enterprieses and billionaires don't pay taxes and cause they put their huge capitals also in real estate, raising the prices. The problem is that real estate is a right ( house ), but also an asset.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Or u know, live in California where the boomer who owns the house is paying 1200 in property tax.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Taxes are astronomical because prices are inflated because of buy-to-rent.

Taxes on single-family residential properties should be like 50% of land value annually for third-homes and up or homes owned by non-human entities. Make it so fucking expensive to own extra houses that they get unloaded cheap to people who will actually live in them, and at the same time reduce the taxable value of the land because it's selling cheap.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have seen the amount paid in property taxes in USA via Zillow and… It is HUGE

A snake eating its own tail. Lenders keep cranking out cheap loans, inflating the money supply. Buyers keep bidding up prices, inflating the cost of housing. Municipal governments need the extra cash to fight the endless "crime wave" that mysteriously crests every election cycle, so they're always ratcheting up their spending for larger and more comically overequipped police departments. And then we've got another big economic downturn, so its time to lower interest rates and send out a new wave of cheap loans.

Nobody can afford to have housing prices go down. Just look at what that did to the economy in 2008.

Cause enterprieses and billionaires don’t pay taxes and cause they put their huge capitals also in real estate, raising the prices.

The threat of capital flight (which would leave you with a large number of unpaid and extremely irate police officers) means you can't risk upsetting the ultra-wealthy.

And besides, their job isn't to pay taxes, its to create jobs. They employ people in your town and then the employees pay the taxes. The employees get to see their housing prices rise, so they grumble but don't complain too much. And then you have more money to hire more cops to protect against the latest Crime Wave that just so happens to be paired with a wave of housing foreclosures from lay-offs. So its time to clear the streets, re-list the houses at a higher price, and issue new mortgages with another wave of subprime loans.

If you really want to spice things up, maybe we denominate all our accounts in bitcoin, so we can really start speculating.

[–] Leeks@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many states have tax cuts for living in the property you own. The high tax rate is the state saying “if you make money, we want to make money”.

[–] Novman@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago

The problems is that if you live in an house you rent, you have to pay indirectly full property tax. Cause you aren't living in a property you own.

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[–] odama626@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Alchalide@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank God I live somewhere where I can work 32 hours per week as truck driver. I don't even spend a quarter of my income on rent, have a healthy weed addiction and manage to save about 500 euro a month and that while being single.

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[–] Amadou_WhatIWant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% Land Value Tax redistributed as UBI por favor!!!

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