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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 215 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Are people on the left saying this?

The 2 things I've really not liked about biden is he

  1. Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.

  2. Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.

Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 59 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Are people on the left saying this?

A few. A small, but very loud group online. They're larger on the Fediverse than most places.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 173 points 2 years ago (10 children)

"Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe"

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on either count.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

yeah and im a big supporter (well relative to what I see on the internets) but obviously all of it is not attributable to him. All the same there have been more things that actually improve my quality of life over what any other president has done in my lifetime and all in one term with an adversarial congress. I loved obama but man he wasted a nice majority trying to play fair with a bunch of known cheaters.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 130 points 2 years ago (98 children)

If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I'll show you how.

  1. Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.

  2. Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.

  3. Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.

  4. Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.

The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (9 children)

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I'm pretty sure that they don't want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn't want us to get firebombed.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I’m pretty sure that they don’t want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn’t want us to get firebombed.

You should run dude. I'm dead ass serious. You can win rural districts where dickless corporate bootlicking democrats can't.

Here's the secret code: Don't run as a Democrat. Run as an independent.

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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 116 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"saved democracy in Europe"? i'd argue democracy works better here than in the US of A, and certainly not due to any US president

[–] ammonium@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Saved from a Russian invasion. It's a bit exaggerated, but not entirely untrue I believe.

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Europe has contributed more money than USA, so they can share a little less than half the credit.

It's basically the same deal as WW2 - sure, the USA has had a big impact - but Europe's not exactly shirked its share of the heavy lifting.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Is unemployment actually down, or is this just like number fudging from folks who work 3 part time jobs?

There's a LOT more homeless people than I remember ever seeing before.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Unemployment is measured as people who are eligible and looking for work but not employed. People who have left the workforce for reasons other than getting laid off/fired (like quitting to take care of a sick family member) or people who have given up looking for work are not counted, even if they want a job. It's measured by a CPS survey of 60,000 households, and I doubt it includes homeless people (or anyone without a permanent address).

I've heard the opposition party claim the unemployment is under-counted during the Obama, Trump, and Biden years by excluding job seekers who have given up on finding employment. That's probably true, but if it is it has probably been pretty consistently under-counted for decades by both parties.

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[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Unemployment is a meaningless statistic due to the weird definition. The more useful statistic is #of jobs divided by total population, which peaked in 1970 and has been declining fairly consistently ever since

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[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 years ago

Homeless doesn't equal unemployed. There are a lot of people who have a job but can't afford housing

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[–] dasgoat@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago (2 children)

secured the border

What does that mean though. Concentration camps for undocumented People? Kids in cages? You think that's a good thing? People are dying in US camps, and you're presenting that as a 'haha gotcha liberals they DO kill migrants'

Fuck that.

Also genocide. Never forget that Biden is aiding and abetting a genocide. Don't fucking look away because he's your guy, motherfuckers

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago (12 children)

So I don't disagree that we need to get less chosey and start voting for the lesser evil at the very least (not even american here bu the UK also has a choice between fuckwad A and B right now) But the bar for 'extreme leftists' has now gotten so low that depending on the company simply suggesting that we shouldn't leave people to die on the street will get you classified as 'extreme leftist'

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[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago (6 children)

With the jackass before him setting bar so low, Joe could have just redecorated the oval office and I'd have considered it a win. Its a bummer Doing The Job like a damn adult doesn't get enough ink ..

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[–] RoseTintedGlasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

[I got a bot to automatically delete all my comments over 1 month old so you can’t see this comment anymore]

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Let's not forget he took over in Jan. 2021. Accelerating vaccine rollout was on his watch:

"With COVID-19 surging and vaccinations off to a slow start, President-elect Joe Biden will rapidly release most available vaccine doses to protect more people, his office said Friday, a reversal of Trump administration policies."

https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-developments-in-2021

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-f7bb372f73a4f204ec540d39a4409e18

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[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lol saved democracy in Europe, if the rest is just as accurate then he indeed hasn't been very active in office

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[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

You don't need to listen to far right nutjobs. They were never going to vote for any Democrat candidate.

You do need to listen to us far left "nutjobs" if you think you need our votes.

EDIT: Goddamn for a group that loves to call us "childish " moderates really don't appreciate being told they can't get what they want on their own and have to gasp cooperate with others.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

You missed:

  1. Enabled and bankrolled the slaughter of over 27,000 Palestinians.
  2. Bombed Iraq, Syria and Yemen
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[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I appreciate the bravery it takes to post something like this on Lemmy.

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[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

This doesn't even mention many of the infrastructure programs that help people directly - the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, American Rescue Plan Act, WIIN, WIFIA, and probably more that I don't know about. There is so much work in water lines and roads/bridges because of Biden.

[–] willis936@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Don't forget:

🎶 Private property's inherently theft And neoliberal fascists are destroying the left And every politician, every cop on the street Protects the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite 🎶

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[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Who created this Liberal porn?

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 years ago (19 children)

How is it even US 'liberal'? "Secured the border?" Wtf is this??

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[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

"Low unemployment" isn't a useful metric when the minimum wage isn't enough to live on, and the implication that people should be grateful for "low unemployment" is insulting to people who work full time and still can't afford food and housing.

Its counterproductive to cite unemployment numbers when trying to rally support for current representatives, unless you can also show that wages are increasing.

Simply referring to the number of jobs that exist feels dismissive and alienating. Instead, you'd get a stronger propaganda effect by citing the number of GOOD jobs that exist - jobs that pay a living wage.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just FYI to a bunch of commenters here...complaining about something that he successfully did actually doesn't dispute the post showing all the stuff he did. If you're mad about how low insulin prices got you're proving the point.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Call me when he brings out the trust busting hammer. It's the one thing that touches on most of the problems in the US.

He needs to actually stand with Unions, actually bring the economy back for the working class, actually make homes and food affordable again.

The other shit is just dressing on the cake. Voters aren't going to vote for him unless he can do that. They might vote against the other guy, but -

Jobs that don't pay

A request to the police forces

A counselor the visits once a month

Killing some brown guy in a war we're all tired of

Lifted a ban the next GOP president is just going to put back

Stopped a pipeline the next GOP president is just going to send DHS agents to guard

And protected land the next GOP president is going to unprotect

And continuing Trump's abuses of refugees, more efficiently....

Ain't gonna fucking do it. These aren't the things we care about. We want to put food on the table for our families.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] seathru@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

EO 14074 only applies to federal LEOs. Which is a very small percentage of the US police force. Definitely not "All police dept's [sic]".

Just because it's in a spongebob meme doesn't make it true.

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[–] marxistsynths19@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (34 children)

You do know that it’s the people demanding and fighting for those things right? Biden only did the minimum while ignoring the peoples actual needs. He answers to his sponsors and his sponsors only. He spent billions on Ukraine and Israel while ignoring the millions of Americans who are worse off now than they were 4-8 years ago. No one is denying what he did. We’re saying it wasn’t enough.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

The really wack thing is everybody already knew when Trump removed criminal only focus of ICE and the holding time limitations that it would weaken the border. We already had data about how those policies improved border security from the Obama Era, but Trump still did what he did to put children in cages for many months for no fucking reason at all.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm the opposite of a Trump supporter, but

  1. economic decisions have long latencies
  2. the improving curve of US economics started during Trump years and merely continued during Biden years
  3. economic decisions are largely made outside of the Executive Branch
[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Idk if you understand this but the richest companies in America having record profits doesn't mean the economy is doing well.

The economy isn't doing well unless people are paid livable wages that allow them to circulate their money into the economy.

A bunch of rich fucks getting richer and sitting on the wealth like dragons is not a good economy.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

BINGO. Don’t ever question it. Hand-waving away our democracy for DECADES as the lesser of 2 evils.

Fuck this shit. Fuck the MIC. Fuck the 1%.

If you act like a dragon (hoard enough wealth to solve all of humanity’s problems), you deserve to be cut up and fed to the local town of the Hero who ended your life.

Did that scare you? There aren’t that many of you fuckers. Best of luck.

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[–] ranoss@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Could someone link me the bar graph in the bottom most panel?

It would be nice to refer to when this is brought up by relatives.

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