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[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 194 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Sovereign Citizens are crazy. Who thinks they can live in our society, use the things our taxes built, steal from companies, not follow the rules and laws our society made and just say they are special and get to do it. These people want to be leeches. How about pay your taxes, pay for products and services you use, follow the laws and join the society. We all must live together and there are rules.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 year ago

This is basically the core of Republican ideology. Living off of the benefits of society while claiming to be 100% self made and then destroying the underpinning of that social fabric because it “isn’t needed”.

[–] quams69@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, you're also describing the ultra wealthy

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They are a bit different, the rich found out how to be leeches while still following the law (or making it seem like they do) whereas these guys are more like both leeching and shouting out loud that they are leeching

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And? We all know the wealthy are leeches and bad for society.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On another note it's kind of nearly impossible to really at all decouple yourself from society. Even as a literal homeless person who is denied every single benefit of society you're subject to the poaching by tax agencies (I've been there. Imagine building up radio tax debt when you are literally live on the streets).

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine building up radio tax debt

I'm sorry, what?

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[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Strange way to spell shoplifters.

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 108 points 1 year ago (10 children)

so now I’m thinking what is the point

congrats, you’re getting there

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[–] Willie@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like how they have a guy who changes the meters.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine what that guy is like!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

keep the sovcits coming, those are always funny as hell

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have endless sovcit content. Endless.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Thats both great and fucking terrifying

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like if you're gonna go this hard on being a sovereign citizen, you might as well start actually learning and practicing law

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This person didn't learn anything from Native American vs European Settlers history.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

"The cavalry were not interested in anything I had to say about access to our land"

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Sounds like going Solar would actually be a smart option for this person. Not that it isn't smart for anyone.

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Oh but that would cost money to install. Why do that when you can just steal and spew some nonsense about "private" property.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some states still require you to be on the grid, and pay a connection/distribution fee, even if you are providing more energy than you're using.

When I was looking into installing solar when I lived in New Jersey, they said we weren't allowed to have a home battery system to store the solar power, either, due to the potential danger of utility workers on downed lines from unexpected loads (somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes).

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes

That's not how that works, there's not really any way to ensure one way flow with an AC system.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair enough, good point.

But there are plenty of failsafe options that could secure power from the house if no power is coming to the house.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Definitely, you can get changeover switches that will isolate you from the grid so you can run a generator etc.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

You can just have a system to mechanically disconnect the system from the grid during an outage. This clearly isn't a Problem in other States

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's actually straightforward to ensure "one way" flow of power. That's what "islanding" circuits do. They isolate your home when the public utility lines go down by triggering a device that is essentially an electrically controlled switch. It's a unit that connects between your home and the utility company so you can continue to use your solar power/batteries when the public utility is out. If you don't have islanding, the solar inverter cuts off the panels when utilities go down. Both protect workers from encountering lines energized by homes.

This looks like it's the UK, so I really doubt they'd be able to get enough power from solar to cover all their needs without having to take out a mortgage.

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does anyone know what they're changing the meter to? That's a risky/difficult process, isn't it?

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This sounds very British so it is almost certainly a "smart meter" that E.ON are installing (which transmits usage data, and can be cut off or set to pre-pay remotely)

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Canadian too, well at least British Columbia. There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.

Something about radio waves and then not being accurate. I don't think these people in this group were trying to steal hydro but more on some health grounds kick to block these new devices from being deployed. I think individual home owners can refuse the new meters much like people can refuse spraying on their road side properties.

In the end as a business person I suspect they served a few purposes for real time accuracy of data collection on the status of demand and the health of the grid, and eliminating the need to send out meter readers to manually read a odometer on a old style mechanical meter.

Unlike others I don't think they were in the Bill Gates lane of trying to microchip you with vaccines to control you and identify a person as well as your cellphone does.

[–] zout@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

About the blocking attempts reagarding accuracy; here in the Netherlands the older analog meters could only measure real power. The reasoning is that the new smart meters don't do this, but instead measure in another way, causing consumers to also pay for reactive power. In reality, this isn't true, but the urban legend is strong.

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[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.

The kicker is that it's HIGHLY unlikely that those meters were 5G.

It's muuuuch cheaper to get a CAT1 LTE radio module and go 4G WITH the added benefit that 4G has better distance/signal/etc than 5G does at a trade-off of a lower speed.

Where I am in the midwestern U.S., those meters are typically in people's BASEMENTS.

5G would be a a combination of massive overkill for a few megabytes of data a MONTH and non-starter for connectivity reasons because getting bars to a tower through several feet of earth and cinder block is notably harder in the 30gHz+ frequency range when compared to the ~6gHz of 4G (or the 850mHz-2.1gHz of 3G).

These things are streaming text files full of usage data numbers. Netflix-capable connections are wholly unnecessary. Your old 2006 motorola razr flip phone could handle the data these meters are putting out without breaking a sweat.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not risky or difficult if you know what you are doing. So given the state of this guys outlook on the world, yes it is very much risky and difficult.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Don't worry. He's got a meter guy who does it for him

[–] DefiantBidet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could literally be the meter part if the unit which can be removed and replaced in less than 30s. Push plastic clips, pops off dead meter attach new one. Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.

Huh? Since when does the landlord agree to maintain the meters? Those have always been the respective company's property that they must maintain. All you have to do is make sure they're accessible.

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Even if they kept the police off of their property, the power company would just disconnect the wires coming into their property. Even with the sovcit magic it wouldn't work.

[–] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this person thinks they found a loophole to steal gas and power, and all they have to do is an "I said so" spell, but that the people they're stealing from can't and won't just "I said so" spell right back? "How can I get these people and the cops to stop caring about my theft attempts?"

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Special words. Yup, basically the whole principle behind the sovcit movement.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I would argue that the real special words behind the sov cits are "I'll just need your credit card number."

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