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[–] immortal_crab@lemmy.blahaj.zone 159 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember kids, if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing!

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember kids, if buying is owning, piracy still isn't stealing. You can make infinite copies of digital media.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's still very much copyright infringement. I don't give a shit about CI, but it still is that.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

That's still not stealing though.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's a different argument. We went through this with VHS. If you tape a broadcast that you paid for, it is not copyright infringement. Unless, you start making several copies and distributing them. Recording a Netflix screen and keeping it neatly in your hard drive is not CI, nor stealing for that matter. The only leg they have to stand on is when people start making copies and charging for distributing it. But even that argument has always been dubious.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (5 children)

i really hate how they call it a 'library', very disingenuous if it's all on their servers and predicated on their fucking license agreements

what if real libraries had to throw away books because harpercollins got pissy. would anyone stand for it? (probably yes)

[–] Jesusaurus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean like southern states banning books because they are "offensive"?

[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ironically, the christian Bible is one of the most offensive books there is

[–] bort@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

because of all the socialist propaganda in it?

[–] rotopenguin 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, we don't believe God's word in those parts.

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm more worried about their definition of buy ;)

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I actually love imagining ways in which one can build a digital library in its core meaning.

A system reliable enough to survive centuries and maybe millennia, many times redundant and verifiable and self-repairing, allowing exhaustive search.

This fascination is maybe the reason I love systems intended for "piracy". Because frankly paying for media is not such a big deal - I download things not too often and most of the time download things I've downloaded before. I even have a few bought games in Steam which I haven't played.

But I love to feel that there's no company, no organization behind that exchange.

Getting back to libraries - in early 00s people would think of the Web like of a layer upon which such a thing can be built. It turns out that this didn't work, but let's please don't stop with the optimism, and let's please discard the approach which hasn't worked instead of clinging to it.

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[–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are school libraries real libraries?

[–] Jesusaurus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you suggest that a location that houses thousands of books that are available to borrow and/or use for research is not a library?

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They do actually have to re-license their online audio books every so many listens. They have to pay for the same audiobook over and over.

That's why it's a lot better for them to lend out the CDs, a few people are coming in for that.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The feel when no pirate gf

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate wife for me!

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[–] unreachable@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

"what a nice digital you have there, shame if someone take it from you."

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Want me to buy your media legally? Oh please, this is tremendously easy to do for a corporation!

  • Downloadable files (you have files, right? Otherwise how are you streaming out the stuff)
  • ...with open codecs (you are using an open codec right? Otherwise you have to encode your stuff like 10 times for 10 different devices each with its own idiosyncrasy)
  • ...without DRM (you have clean copies right? it'd not be smart to base a business model on files you can't open, see the above)
  • ...at an aggregate price that's lower than paying for TV cable (you can cash in only a bit, right? It's digital media and your competition is literally over-the-air TV with extra steps, it's not like you have the mother of pearl of cancer cures here)
[–] test113@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In other words, media as a "service" makes more money than media as a one-point sale. Why should they sell you a one-point solution when the service model makes more money for the shareholders? I love the shareholder economy; it makes all our lives better and makes us focus on what really matters at the end of the day, which is, of course, profits for people who already have too much money. :) very cool

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The only way for most of these companies to constantly generate income is to offer a subscription model. As they need to increase income, they can increase subscription prices.

Everybody (well, just the conpany) wins. Can't you see how beneficial this is to everyone (just the company)?

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They know. They simply do not care.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

Not only that, but they think people are dumb enough to keep paying (and sometimes they're not wrong).

[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Oh, they care.

They got your money one way, and now their getting it another way!

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They exist to fuck over artists and the viewers as much as they can get away with.

I just decided I’m perfectly comfortable fucking the media companies over first.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

If you want to stay truly legit, buy used physical releases. They cost less money and you could support your local record store. Movies and music on a home NAS + Plex Server are god tier.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is an easy fix here:

Require mergers to refund customers impacted as part of the merger.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Refund the sale price (that's less than its value to me), or the value I placed on it (that's difficult to estimate)?

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Refunding simply the sales price means the users lose out because the $100 I paid for my library 5 years ago is worth less now due to inflation. Simply giving me back $100 now would yield a value of $80 back in 2019.

Just give the game/music/movie file without DRM

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish guides about cracking DRM for legally purchased content were more popular

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The reason they aren't is because methods for cracking DRM like Widevine are kept extremely secret so that the exploits don't get patched. It does mean that a lot of content is locked to whatever the scene decides is worth their time to crack and distribute, but if anyone made the methods they use public, they would stop working very quickly.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 18 points 1 year ago

This happened with a version of Denuvo. Someone leaked an unobfuscated cracked version of a game (I think it was Need for Speed), giving Denuvo the opportunity to study how their protection got cracked.

[–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does Widevine actually do? You may not be able to download directly but you can just use OBS

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 10 points 1 year ago

You'll get worse quality. Widevine doesn't let you play 4K content on unapproved systems. It's also way less convenient. Obviously, pirates are not affected because they can just download Star.Wars.XII.Galactic.Boogaloo.WEBRIP.4K-DarkNaruto69.mkv, it's only an issue if you try to watch content legally for some reason.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feels like “buy” should be in quotes

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 20 points 1 year ago

There should almost be a "buy a license to..." distinction like how some games are free versus free to play.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will genuinely never pay for a streaming service again lmao

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you pm me some links? Already cut Netflix looking to reduce the monthly bill.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

yar

This should be the only one you need 99% of the time

[–] aPirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Both https://rentry.co/megathread and https://fmhy.net/ are both great indexes for piracy sites and more, on the vpn side proton, mullvad(they disabled port forwarding so seeding torrents is much slower so they aren't recommended as much), and air vpn are all decent.

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This kind of shitfuckery has been going on for as long as DRM has been around and yet people still fall for the scam.

[–] Pilgrim@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Making their products harder to use, while making them more expensive

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

As opposed to buying it illegally, or stealing it legally?

[–] Catatafish@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

And Onstream apk if you're on android

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