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[–] callyral@pawb.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

My idea: have it so every time the document is opened the names are randomly scrambled. I don't think this would work with PDF or on paper but it's a fun idea

Edit: While it wouldn't work decently on paper, this would work with E-Ink display, and instead have it change every few seconds while the paper is being read.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do the same but with all the words.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you the guy that reviewed the rat testicle paper?

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

How do you know my password?

[–] gens@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

PDF can... embed javascript. So, sadly it is possible.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wouldn't work with PDF, but probably would work with Postscript (being that it's Turing-complete).

(I say "probably" because I don't know for a fact that Postscript's API has a random function.)

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can embed javascript or 3D objects in PDF, surely you can reorder some words

[–] WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if this was inspired by a recent xkcd?

At text: People may complain about readability, but even with jpeg compression, extracting the data points is usually computationally feasible if there aren't too many of them.

[–] Alue42@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe for the way in which they are layering them, but I'm pretty sure the reasoning behind it is inspired by content that has been made into comics for quite some time, for example

https://ibb.co/Cn7pRgK
https://ibb.co/6s8Qhzc

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not only is this paper real: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.01393.pdf

But they actually made it practical:

We have implemented two ways to reveal the actual names present in an overlapping stack, when viewing a PDF file on a computer.

First, hovering over the stacked names should pop up a tooltip with the authors listed in their original order, as shown in Figure 1.

This feature works on many desktop PDF viewers (e.g., Acrobat, Evince, Firefox, VSCode), but notably not Chrome, Edge, Safari, or MacOS Preview. It also does not work on mobile devices we tested (probably because they lack a natural notion of “hovering”).

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That doesn’t sound very practical at all.

All it’s done is force you to read a tooltip. Which is an awful idea. The tooltips still create a first-author situation, so now your forced to screw around with a tooltip for…. Nothing.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, relatively practical. Just the fact that they actually made an effort. It's not much different from having it in a footnote

[–] alehc@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

Easy fix (for html). Just embed js to randomly shuffle the order of the authors every time you hover or something.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think the point is to recognise a paper by its author blob so you don't end up needing the tooltip that much (they talk about it in the paper) I'm not really convinced that it's worth it, but they did think it through.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm... it's not working for me in either Firefox or Okular.

[–] facow@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

And the authors are father and son!

[–] mokus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now whoever has the longest name has an advantage

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

International collaboration with Spaniards and Hispanics instantly drops to 0.

[–] 667@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every paper comes with an author appendix as cut-out scrabble tiles (scrambled) so readers assemble the names in the order they prefer.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought we already did authorship in alphabetical order so as to avoid any implied hierarchy?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's just Adams supremacy

[–] drailin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought I was hot shit with a low-priority B name, but the Adams in my collaboration showed me just how truly mid I am. If he wasn't on my dissertation committee... and also a cool dude... and a good scientist..., I would have some choice words for him!

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Get rid of that guy! And you don't have to do it alone. B names of the university, unite! You have nothing to lose but your second place and all the first places to gain

[–] drailin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'll make him rue the day he was born. I will make the kerning on the copy of my dissertation I send him just slightly weird so that it gives him uncanny discomfort while reading it. Any plots I cite from his work will be slightly lower resolution. He won't know what hit him.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

They talk about alphabetical order in the introduction, you can see a bit of it in the screenshot. It feels just slightly unfair because you'll always get Adams et al. and never Zimmer et al.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I honestly didn’t know if this was serious at first…

Edit: lol the fuck? It is real? When you hover, the tooltip is still a list with an order… what’s the point?

[–] ThoGot@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago
[–] SquirrelX@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I may be missing the point, but why not instead list names in whatever order, but clarify who contributed what.

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Order matters in academia whether the authors want it to or not. Other academics will look at the order of the authors and make judgements based on that, so you'd have to specify something like "authors listed alphabetically".

[–] Inky@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In math and (theoretical) physics alphabetical is the presumed norm.

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Huh, TIL. That actually makes sense