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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 276 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Damage@feddit.it 18 points 2 years ago

Got this issue with the Voron 3d printer project. They claim RepRap open source heritage but then hide most of the discussion behind discord's doors.

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[–] hardypart@feddit.de 181 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I fucking hate Discord. It's a walled garden. You need an account to see the content and you can't google shit. It might be great for real time communication, but I can't grasp how its usage has evolved beyond any of that.

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lexical (rich text editor by Facebook) recently "migrated" their Github discussions to Discord... I have a question that I can see was asked on the discussion, as it appears in my search results on DDG, but I get a 404 when I try to open it. The fuckers deleted the discussions!

Of course, Discord only has poor-quality answers to that questions as it gets asked every week and maybe gets answered in a different way every time. Quality of discussion is much lower.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

The fuckers deleted the discussions!

This is a very Facebook-like thing to do. They are openly hostile towards everyone, including their users and advertisers. Shit stain of a company that constantly makes the worst decisions.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 28 points 2 years ago

All those reddit communities who migrated to Discord are in for a shock when they pull the exact same shit in a few years.

I use it, but it's basically "Free Ventrilo but not as shit." I have nothing of any value on it. It can be yoinked behind a paywall at any time.

[–] ninja@hoboninjachicken.com 11 points 2 years ago

I fucking love Discord and use it for as much communication as possible...

...but I also agree with everything you say here

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[–] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 81 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I recently built a 3D printer where the entire community for it lives on Discord. Their website instructions are horrifically out of date because all of the current changes have been discussed at some point on Discord. What should have been a 2-4 day project turned into a 2-3 week project due to the garbage involved in trying to strain information out of a massive multi-channel group chat with terrible search.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It wastes everyone's time. The project maintainers have to keep answering the same questions, and the users don't have instant access to answers

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would any sane developer want to use this system to "document" their project? Written docs have worked well for a million years and there's no need to change them.

[–] freeman@lemmy.pub 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can even include them in your version control system and allow others to suggest changes

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[–] snowbell@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

What printer is this so I can avoid it?

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 75 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also "I'm so sick of this question" well then put the answer somewhere that's indexed by search engines. Siloing knowledge into discord is an awful idea.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 27 points 2 years ago

There was a man at CERN once who was sick of questions. His name was Tim-Berners Lee.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I hate the amount of software that is gated behind a Discord server.

No, I don't want to join your garbage Discord server just to use your software. Just host it somewhere else.

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 years ago

Discord != Support
Discord != Archive
Discord != Issue tracker
Discord != Update news distribution platform

[–] TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Requests to Discord are blocked by my company’s newest filters as “gaming”. 😶

[–] dan@upvote.au 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I mean, it's not wrong? Discord is still primarily a gaming app built as a replacement for TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. The non-gaming use cases are still in the minority.

[–] nx2@feddit.de 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's still a shit ruling. Back in the day they just blocked all .io sites so you couldn't play agar.io and so on. But all the IT sites we used were also blocked by that. So we had to go and ask the guy for every single one until he grew sick of it and opened it again

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

That's like not letting Muslims on a plane because some are terrorists. What a lazy approach.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm 50 and I have a 23 year old "RTFM" t-shirt.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Kids these days:

StackExchange bad! Those elitist pieces of shit closed my question I did 0 research for and they were not nice.. Imma go and ask the same question on The_Next_Place, where there's still someone who hasn't gone mad answering it for the thousandth time.

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[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I could see the paradigm shifting over the years on reddit. They don't approach the internet as a knowledge base but a personal assistant chat. That's when I knew the value of the site was on the down swing.

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[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

One wouldn't be too wrong to point at similarities between cancer and Discord in how it quickly takes over different systems (e.g. issue tracking, discussions, Q&A, documentation) and replaces them with a single non-functional thing (chat).

But, to play the devil's advocate, Discord seems to have some kind of a forum functionality, however I've never encountered those Forum Channels myself.

[–] max@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago

I’ve only seen it so far in the discord group for the city building game Cities: Skylines. And it’s still a mess.

[–] randint@feddit.nl 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. Trying to find answers for questions probably already asked on Discord is impossible.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago

And then some uppity moderator of some Discord channel for a niche mod for some game gets pissed at users for asking the same question repeatedly, when it's not obvious at all from any non-Discord source.

Looking at you, Our Summer Car -_-

[–] QuazarOmega@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So much yesss, that drives me nuts, regardless of age!
I know that it's just hip and familiar to many, so I put with it with the few projects I'm really interested in and I can't say it doesn't work well, but please, why are there SO MANY??

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[–] peter@feddit.uk 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it can be useful for complex questions, but in my experience most of these discord servers are full of people asking very basic questions and very jaded people giving incredibly rude and cynical answers

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 21 points 2 years ago

And the people asking basic questions probably don't want to be asking anyway. I know from my days on the arch forums you will alway get basic questions even when the manual is exhaustive, but I see so many discord communities where the documentation is woefully incomplete, and the result is predictable: a constant flood of basic questions.

And the people being rude about it have created their own frustration. They picked a bad platform and are mad about how it's going. Further people who aren't deeply involved see what a bunch of jerkasses the community maintainers are and just disengage.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I see a lot of things that have a discord community.

Why is this? Is it a way for someone. To earn extra money? Or do they just like that platform?

[–] narnach@feddit.nl 39 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Discord is easy to setup and use. It’s basically a chatroom with history. It can help build a community. It’s also a horrible way to store/archive information because it focuses on real-time communication. At larger scale it also tends to get too noisy.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t care for the real-time communication aspect of it. In fact i find it unusable.

Am I supposed to just sit there and read random conversation and wait for a point to jump in?

Seems like it takes too much effort.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 20 points 2 years ago

I mean, that is what IRC chat rooms were back in the day. Or any public chatroom from the 90s.

Realtime communication has its part. We use Slack at work all the time. But searching Slack is a horrible way of replacing missing documentation.

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[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's free*, insanely easy to set up, you don't have to worry about port forwarding or ddos or hosting fees, has powerful moderation tools, and there's a plethora of easy to deploy bots that help manage permissions and automate routine tasks. Literally, if it had a proper web-accessible forum similar to phpBB, it would be perfect.

[–] master5o1@lemmy.nz 11 points 2 years ago

Basically the same reasons subreddits supplanted forums.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lots of users gush over Discord for some reason. My impression is that more technically minded people don't really like it, but your average user uses it for almost everything and encourages more services they like to use it. Hence why many reddit subs moved to Discord - the mods didn't necessarily prefer it, but they were sent an overwhelming number of requests from their users.

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[–] philluminati@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This hits home. Discord is a terrible product I don’t know why anyone likes it.

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[–] Mandy@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This applys to so much more than just programming now, sadly

[–] vile@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hate this so much, very much into 3d printing (voron right now) and huge parts of the community are on discord it's just an absolute pain to use

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[–] kr0n@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

Totally agree, please let the doc be doc, not a chat.

PS: what were the original subtitles of the screenshot? :)

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just tried asking a question yesterday, and realized there's basically no way to save / bookmark / whatever a specific thing... it's seriously just a fucking chat room.

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