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The memes of the climate

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The climate of the memes of the climate!

Planet is on fire!

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only technology that should be on that list, since using it would enable all the others to thrive: UwU hungry guillotine

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It hungers for the blood of the investors

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[–] kapulsa@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

We have the technologies. The list goes on and on and on. We just need to employ them instead of waiting further for magical fixes.

Posting and liking memes is great, but real change comes from actions. If you are as concerned as we are about climate change, please consider joining or supporting climate activists near you.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trains are based. Fight me car stans

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[–] herrwoland@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"No not that! I want to do EXACTLY as I did before but YOU do something about it. Can't you like build a technology to suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere or something?"

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yeah we already have the technology needed, we have to implement them.

And much of the tech is actually very old. Electric trains are like a century old. So for a lot of things, we have to re-implement technology we foolishly removed.

Oil was just a bad technology path. Gotta get back on the right path.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

"We need new technologies that can be controlled by a megacorporation to make a select few rich, not things that individuals can do or use that can break the hold of existing monopolies"

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Veganism isn't better for the environment than significantly reducing the total amount of consumed meat. Animals play an important, difficult-to-replace role in making agriculture sustainable. Animals can be herded on land that's difficult to farm on, animals can consume parts of farmed plants that humans cannot, and animals produce products that humans cannot replicate without significantly more work.

Edit: I see a bunch of vegans who aren't really engaging with the argument. To be clear, anyone who makes statements about how things are right now to try to disprove this is probably arguing in bad faith. I'm not responding to comments anymore because, while it's entirely possible that I'm wrong, y'all aren't making any good points.

Furthermore, I'm not anti-vegan, but now I'm tempted to be. So many people I've engaged with have displayed all of the worst vegan stereotypes I've heard about. I've always assumed it was chuds making shit up, but no I just hadn't met any of the terminally online creeps in the vegan community yet OMFG.

[–] kapulsa@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Yes, we need to significantly reduce the amount of consumed meat (maybe not insects, if we consider them meat). A step towards more vegan and vegetarian food would definitely be necessary. Yes, not everyone needs to be vegan. But we need to consume way more vegan and vegetarian food.

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[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Veganism is good for climate, biodiversity, health and animal welfare. We really don't need to eat animals or animal products to have good meal and live a happy life. The good thing is that humans are omnivores, with a free choice of what to eat. Please choose wisely, not only for your own mental and physical health, but also for others, living now as well as in years to come.

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[–] r1veRRR@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

We don't need animals to consume plants we can't, because plant food is soooo goddamn more efficient on every metric. We can drastically reduce land, water and energy usage AND still feed way more people with plant foods. We simply do not need to eat animals.

Any form of "sustainable" animal farming I've read up on end up being still less resource efficient than plant foods, AND obviously massively reduced output. So we're truly talking about vegan vs. an ounce of meat a week. That's not a difference worth defending, considering the other obvious ethical issues.

Finally, why do you feel that it's important to argue for "99%" veganism? Do you genuinely believe people don't understand that less is better, but none is best? Do you apply the same argument to other ethical issues, like feminism? Being 99% feminist is a big improvement, but constantly arguing for it in favor of feminism (aka 100%) would obviously look ridiculous. Finally, don't you realize the humongous difference between "we should abuse animals for our pleasure less" vs. "we shouldn't do that"? A whole class of racism disappears if we get rid of the association between "animal" and "lesser moral consideration".

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I don't really care. Abusing (using) animals for food and work is cruel anyway, if me not doing that because I think it's wrong is good for the environment, great! If it's not, fine, but it's not why I do it.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the thing. Ethics and impact on the environment can be two different things. If you decide to go that way, you're fine. Do it. However we need animals for stated reasons. We have to eat less meat/generally consume less animal products.

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[–] QuaffPotions@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Lookup veganic farming, and veganic permaculture. The idea that animal ag has any place in combating global warming is demonstrably false, and was nothing more than a greenwashed hijacking of the other various regenerative agricultural movements. There is no room in neither a just world, or a sustainable one, for the exploitation and consumption of animals.

https://www.surgeactivism.org/allansavory

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You forgot, Work from Home.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I already have a second hand and telling people to grow a second hand just feels ableist to those who can't. /j

[–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

20 years ago a few key technologies were still missing, like grid storage battery technology. But there are multiple promising ways now. Unfortunately lack of massive funding for research and development and patents means we'll have to wait another 20 years to produce them really cheaply on the free market. Otherwise it would be unfair to the poor inventor! /s

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, a lot of the new technologies people talk about regarding this are some of these things, but improved. For instance, better batteries or solar cells, recent improvement to which has already had a pretty notable impact (for instance, better solar panels making solar energy cheaper, which makes even entities concerned only with profit more likely to adopt it.)

[–] onion@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usually it's just an excuse to do nothing, hoping for a magical technology that saves us from all our problems

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

nuclear power should definitely be one of those technologies listed

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

The Problem with nuclear Power is, that there isn't a guarantee for reasonable pricing. There simply isn't any experience on how much it really costs to build new power plants.

If you want to take a deeper look into the topic: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/05/what-does-nuclear-power-really-cost/

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago

Long-term not viable and lots of hidden costs.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Plant-based plastic replacements. Everyone fails to create a universal kind but plastic in your shopping bag is different from plastic in a PET bottle.

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[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im looking forward to the ant pizza from CyberPunk 2077.

No, seriously, I think it might actually taste good if you do it right.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is that, a pizza for ants?!

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[–] hamid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The biggest technology needed is actually excavators so we can dig ditches everywhere to soak up rain water and refill aquifers. Also building retaining walls, terraces and swales using permaculture style water management to reforest degraded grazing lands.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think we need those excavators do dig our own graves, because this will probably not happen.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Veganism is not technology. Also meat tastes delicious for most of the regular population. Proceeds to nom a chicken

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