Yeah the fact that the state can just remove citizenship is very questionable but literally no sane person should have anything to do with ISIS.
this post was submitted on 24 Feb 2024
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Under UK law they're not allowed to remove citizenship if it would render the person stateless. However, when the UK was investigating whether they'd have to take her back (and they really didn't want to), they realized that she [has? is entitled to?] Bangladeshi citizenship, something that neither she nor the Bangladeshi government was aware of. So they stripped her of her UK citizenship and said that she was now Bangladesh's problem. Bangladesh (to put it politely) disagrees, so she remains in a Syrian camp.
She was radicalized on UK's soil. But they want Bangladesh to deal with the consequences, based on a mere technicality? That's disrespectful, underhanded and sly, to put it mildly.
She's literally British. She was raised here and it's the sole citizenship she holds. What we are doing is illegal and a shirking of our responsibilities to Syrian people, Bangladeshi people, and her. If she's a criminal and an extremist, it's our job to accept her back and deal with that. If she was an adolescent who made a series of terrible errors, endured the most traumatic things, and is genuinely repentant, it's our job to accept her back and deal with that.
Yeah but since when has the UK government cared about doing illegal things. If you gave them two possible options they would automatically pick the illegal one just on principal.
For anyone reading this comment and assuming it's facetious, may I please direct your attention to the Rwanda asylum "plan"?
The whole thing was literally thought up in a 10 minute session with Boris Johnson to try to distract from the fact that he was having parties during the time he was telling everyone else to be in lockdown, because he is and always was a brainless bellend. It was literally a plan that was never thought out and was created entirely to distract the media, and then unsurprisingly it didn't work. For some reason Rishi then decided that he would revive it, despite the fact that it was thought up by an idiot in a panic.
The reason she had her citizenship removed was because the UK government concluded that she was safe in Syria, after all she's a member of ISIS right so what's going to happen to her? Or at least that was the given justification.
She would have done a lot better waiting for the government to change, and then asking. Everything she has done has been mined numbingly stupid, I don't think she's very bright. Why the hell would you expect a massively right-wing government to be sympathetic, utter madness.
JSYK it’s “mind numbingly” not “mined numbingly”
Damn. You fuck up as a teenager from time to time. It’s just how it is. But this makes…most of my fuckups as a teen look completely harmless.
15 year old teen that got trafficked got judged as if she was a fully mature adult lmao.
Relevant Onion video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U
This also set a bad precedent for anyone with dual citizenship. Yes her situation was a bit...unique. but if they decided next week that being lgbtq is illegal they can start stripping citizenship from dualies and kicking them out.
I don't know about that. That seems like a extreme slippery slope.
There is a difference where you are joining enemy combatants, ones with active military operations who are shooting at citizens of the home country.
So the only way the metaphor would be comparable is if the gay armada decides to rise up against a country.
All I have to add is that when I was fifteen I wasn't as smart as I thought I was.
I was 15 yo too but I absolutely didn't have the means or resources to flee a country and join another country.
That's a LOT of micro decisions there, followed by choosing to stay for years.
I absolutely didn’t have the means or resources to flee a country and join another country.
Neither did she.
I did not know that. Thank you.
Why don't you link the other articles of what she did in Syria herself?
Because they're not relevant to the point I was addressing. How is that not obvious?
I have elsewhere said that she should face justice here. There has been no trial, no accounting for what she did and why, and no opportunity for the Yazedi she was complicit in enslaving to have their say about it.
The LGBTQ bit wasn't maybe the best metaphor. But the point stands. They've done this, and now they can easily do it again, and with less cause.
The law in this wording was here in 1980. Previous laws that allow stripping of citizenship based on security threats have been around for 100 years. Yearly 20 people get this treatment. Yet it hasn't been a problem, since they don't have a PR company.
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Is Begum stateless? I thought that the UN "Conventional relating to the status of stateless persons" forbids the removal of citizenship that renders a person stateless. She may have to return to the UK to face criminal charges due to her cooperation with a terrorist group, but I do not think the UK is allowed by the Convention to revoke her citizenship.
She had the opportunity to gain Bangladeshi citizenship until she turned 21, the UK cancelled her citizenship when she was 19 so she was supposedly not stateless at the time they cancelled it. She couldn’t get to Bangladesh in order to apply for citizenship but that is apparently not enough to reinstate her UK citizenship according to this ruling.
@profdc9 yeah, she's definitely stateless.
Since making people stateless is a violation of international law, the UK used the claim that she could become a citizen of Bangladesh (she's never been there but it's her heritage).
The Bangladesh repudiated it, and since only Bangladesh can grant anyone Bangladeshi citizenship, she has no citizenship.
Damn, that fucking sucks... but, like, refugees who didn't voluntarily join an extremist group are definitely more worthy of asylum or other aide.
At least in my opinion, Hamas is the good guys. They are also labeled as an extremist group. So are we actually wrong to say ISIS is universally bad? I mean, both groups took power is response to foreign invaders just full on wrecking their shit constantly. Both groups employed Gorilla warfare to most effectively damage a far superior military. I've been recognizing more and more lately that America is almost always the bad guys in wars. So does that imply that ISIS was actually the good guys?
Edit: Nope, we are not wrong for saying ISIS is bad. Thanks for the confirmation.
ISIS and Hamas are entirely different.
If anything ISIS seems like an israeli proxy created to destabilize other countries in the region and attack their government. ISIS never attacks israel. And recently they attacked Iran instead of israel which is very questionable.
And ISIS treats their soldiers in israel.... and receives money from israel..-.
Hamas is not interested in attacking other countries or expanding their Lebensraum. Hamas is very comparable with the ANC in South Africa, or the IRA in the UK. Their people were oppressed and they started asking for their rights a little less nicely.