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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 357 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm a leftist, not a libertarian, but I always feel compelled to bring up a specific point in Snowden's defense when he is mentioned to divisive opinions:

He did speak up correctly, using the correct channels, and the proper channels told him to shut the fuck up.

Then he again did what he did the rightest way he could, by giving the data to one of the oldest members of the fourth estate, the press, to decide proper course, ONLY AFTER the primary state failed him spectacularly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Estate

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know why he had to out himself? Why didn't he give stuff to the papers and stay hidden?

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They were state secrets with a very well documented list of individuals to which it had been disclosed and he was documented as having had taken issue with the program. It's reasonable that it would be traced back to him and that he would not be given protections or a fair trial.

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[–] henfredemars 131 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This work survey is anonymous and won't be associated with any identifying information. Feel free to voice your authentic opinions.

[–] haulyard@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Proceeds to login via OKTA to access survey.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"I don't feel strongly about anything" if it's required, deleted email if it's not

[–] henfredemars 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At work, you keep your opinions to yourself.

It doesn't matter if you are asked for your opinion by your boss, in an "anonymous" survey, or by a co-worker at a seemingly innocuous kids birthday party. There are no friends in business. Stick to business. Anything you say can and will be used against you.

I'm not a very political person. I don't have strong feelings about it sir. Taking care of business is my priority.

Stay safe out there folks.

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[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I neither agree nor disagree.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Lol that happened when I worked at Chase many years ago... I didn't fall for it, but several of my colleagues did... As I recall, there were some legal issues that came out of it...

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 98 points 1 year ago (12 children)

He revealed massive warrantless domestic surveillance. The 1700s equivalent would be if the post office made copies of every single letter everyone sent and then promised not to read them unless the sender or recipient was one day subject to a valid warrant. Whoever revealed this info would've been a hero and a patriot back then, and it should be the same today.

Snowden leaked his info about these programs more than a decade ago. If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they're doing now.

[–] Rascabin@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Watching us via the front camera while we poop?

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they’re doing now.

It's publicly available information that almost all social media companies have all of your private posts and the ability to release them to anyone they desire. People just don't care.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know why mail seals existed back then?

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They used seals for mail? No wonder delivery took so long.

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[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I mean if they could have feasibly done that in 1700 they 100% would have and probably not even hid it in the courts like today

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[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK what this has to do with Libertarianism, but I agree with the meme

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Free speech isn't exclusive to libertarianism but it is truly a core value of that philosophy

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This guy is the definition of a modern day hero. If you haven't read his book "permenant record", get on it

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I have nothing but respect for Edward Snowden.

[–] HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

#FreeSnowden

[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

"No, we mean stuff about the bad guys. Not us."

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

“Not like that…”

[–] mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For EU citizens: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32019L1937

The states shall provide a secure and anonymous channel to enabling safe whistleblowing. A software for this is globaleaks.org

A state should provide a channel to anonymously blow the whistle. Then, this information is forwarded to the correct authorities.

[–] nolight@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sounds awesome, but what authorities exactly are the correct ones? What happens when I want to report THE authorities?

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

No not like that

[–] hobsbawm_goblin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Luckily he was able to escape Russia safely. If he stayed in the US he would've been tortured just like Chelsea Manning and Assange.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did Manning allege torture?

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From what I remember in her memoir, she said she pent about 2 months in what was essentially a holding cell in Kuait after she was arrested, with little to no stimulation, and limited human interaction.

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[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

our re-definition of 'torture' excludes waterboarding, hog-tying, force-feeding, and sexual assault.

According to the federal government even the people at Guantanamo weren't tortured.

We literally torture people who have never been seen by a judge. This country is fucking evil

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The US hasn't had Assange to be able to torture him and I'm not aware of any allegations of Manning being tortured.

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