X, because honestly my screen works and don't currently need to replace the server behind it.
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I understand and X works fine for a lot od people but do remember the number of developers maintaining it have been dropping year on year. No harm in trying IMO. If you are on Plasma or Gnome, you get a simple switcher on the login screen.
Yeah, I know X is really showing its age.
I have to add that the switcher is not on Debian 12 by default, where Wayland support for Plasma is optional in plasma-workspace-wayland. Also, it is broken on Nvidia due to missing packages/libraries and Nvidia's proprietary driver still in general not supporting Wayland properly.
It is bottom left on my sddm login Wayland or X11 session kde. Debian 12 bookworm AMD
Because you installed it, or because 12 now gives both via tasksel (or Debian setup). My system is from Debian 10
X because when I try selecting Wayland from sddm the screen goes black and then takes me back to sddm. I'm on manjaro and I've done no configuration and I've not attempted to install Wayland I just assume because it's an option in my drop down that it's been installed.
@Fizz @bacteriostat @kde On my arch install, I had to install plasma-wayland-session to make that option work.
I had plasma-wayland-session already installed. It turns out I needed to add nvidia-drm to the kernal params and forced GBM backend. After that it seems to be working. I am a wayland man now!
If not on Wayland, what's stopping you?
NVIDIA :(
Wayland on my ryzen laptop, Xorg on my Nvidia pc. There are just too many things missing with Nvidia, such as Gsync, gamma control, overclocking and fan control.
I'm on Wayland on all computers. The main pain point I have with Wayland at this moment is the lack of session save/restore (remembering which windows were open and saving their state on logout, and restoring all on login). All of the computers are powered by AMD graphics cards and KDE Plasma desktop.
Yeah, I did not know wayland was lacking this feature until recently when I switched to wayland on my work computer. So long as I know stuff won't be restored, I can plan ahead now.
I'm using X because on Wayland windows sometimes disappear from view. I can't even blame Nvidia because I'm all Intel.
That's an unusual issue, have you reported it on bugs.kde.org?
For me personally on an AMD GPU, Wayland seems feature-complete. In terms of bugs though Wayland can be a pain. My primary monitor always seems to lock up either entirely or in parts. Like I can use the taskbar but a game becomes unresponsive, or vise versa. Literally as I typed this, my taskbar locked up and I can't select anything so I will have to reboot lol.
Another annoying thing about KDE under both X and Wayland (though it happens in Wayland far more) is when the taskbar and title bar icons default to the display server logo. I hate that. Probably on the app developers though.
GNOME under Wayland is a different story, I ran that for a year and outside of some external monitor funkiness everything just seemed bug free. Might switch back once GNOME gets VRR support, we'll see how Plasma 6 is.
Still using X on some of my servers because AnyDesk does not currently support Wayland, and sometimes I want a GUI instead of ssh.
When I used Wayland my laptop couldn't turn on properly after sleeping. I think it's related to the fact that sddm (at least in standard repos) is xorg at the moment.
I’m on X atm. Wayland works, but it stops some configs from working properly. For example I have endeavour set up to not only notify me of updates, but I can click on the icon in the tray and it will start the update on X, where on Wayland the tray icon doesn’t show so I have to manually update my system. I like the simplistic click and go the tray icon offers me. This is just one feature I run into problems with. I don’t run NVIDIA so I don’t have the compatibility issue with that.
I use wayland on my laptop running GNOME, and I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. I recognize that people's hardware is a big deciding factor on if it works this well or not though...
Yup. I am myself running Plasma Wayland on 2 laptops (both Ryzen APUs) for over an year now. Seems like Nvidia is the biggest limiting factor.
I use Wayland and love it, but have two serious issues:
- Sunshine does not show a mouse cursor without a hack that kills performance.
- Have to disable asyc reprojection in order to use VR.
Bonus less serious issue: I can't re-dock floating toolbars on X applications when using XWayland.
Been on Wayland for a few years. It’s not always been sunshine and roses, but neither has X.
I still remember being really annoyed everytime I had to edit Xorg.conf files and finding my desktop to no longer boot or mouse to no longer work.
Wayland!
It has advanced a lot lately, I've been daily driving it for months now with no issues, compared to a couple of Plasma versions ago where it would break itself in 5 minutes lol.
Only thing I'm missing is a good remote access solution. I'm currently making do with Sunshine + Moonlight but it has the very annoying bug of not showing the mouse cursor.
Edit: lol just realized this post is 1 month old. Really looking forward to Lemmy fixing this bug.
Currently on X. Mostly because out of the box Wayland doesn't work with my nVidia card. I know there are solutions available to make it work, but I haven't had the time to try them, and honestly X is working just fine for me. Not sure what benefits I'd see by switching to Wayland.
Wayland, I've tried X but it just seems so much slower
Despite having an nvidia card, i use wayland and deal with the glitches cause once you've gotten a taste you can't go back
X for me.
I tried Wayland a few times over the years but it was always too buggy and many applications just didn't work.
A couple of updates later, Wayland completely stopped working, all I get is a black screen and a cursor.
When was the last time you tried? And which GPU?
I tried it again just now. I can still start a console but plasma just won't start. All I get is
The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die?
plasma-plasmashell.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
qt.qpa.wayland: Wayland does not support QWindow::requestActivate()
I'm on Nvidia of course 😕
X11 because what we really needed was X12 but instead we threw the baby out with the bath water.
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