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In a surprise move, an Illinois judge has removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s ballot based on the 14th Amendment’s so-called “insurrectionist ban.”

The decision is paused, giving Trump a short period of time to appeal.

Wednesday’s unexpected decision comes as a similar anti-Trump challenge from Colorado is pending before the US Supreme Court, which is widely expected to reject arguments that Trump is barred from office.

Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter heavily relied on the prior finding by the Colorado Supreme Court, calling Colorado’s “rationale compelling.”

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 123 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It is still crazy to me, he is responsible for an insurrection and still gets the option to run for President. Every time I've talked about it on twitter some right-winger will bring up it was mostly peaceful and some other event that has nothing to do with anything lol.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an important lesson in Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Trump is very much a narcissist). Narcissists use vague and ambiguous language, usually rapid fire, in order to confuse and disorient listeners. The term is called Narcissistic Word Salad. It means that he can rile people up to commit an insurrection while at the same time be legally protected because he never directly commanded January 6ers to do what they did with clear and pointed language. All of his communication is very obviously crafted to manipulate and obfuscate, and it's how he's managed to keep his crime empire afloat for decades.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

because at no time since this nation was founded was it considered possible for a president of this country to be under the thrall of a hostile foreign power and want to overthrow it.

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[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes absolutely non-violent, the guys going around with cable ties just wanted to do some cable management.

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Nothing says "peaceful" like stealing a cops riot shield and using it to bash through a security window, or using bear spray on the cops trying to protect the lawmakers.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Hoo boy. January 6th-21st 2025 is going to be harrowing in DC should Trump win.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect it will be harrowing when he loses too. It was last time.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At least this time he is not in charge, so it should be a lot harder to try pushing people around to subvert democracy

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[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Gonna be the least of your worries unless you live in DC. Look forward to armed take overs at every state capital and military deployments across the country (with help from our great friends in the Russian military), and murdered Democrats on every street corner should Trump win.

It will be worse than that probably

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (32 children)

I'm glad it's happening. However, I am almost sure SCOTUS will not allow it no matter what and will find some spurious reason that the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Trump.

Also, I wish it wasn't a state that Trump was pretty much guaranteed to lose anyway. Oh well, I guess it's a start.

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not so sure. SCOTUS knows the confidence of them is at an all time low (18%). Even if Trump was re-elected I don't think there is more he can offer them. They already have the job. They need confidence back or the states are going to start ignoring them.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Since there are zero concrete consequences for SCOTUS members from having low confidence from the public, they would need to actually care about what the "plebes" think of them for that to make any difference.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know for all our checks and balances the Supreme Court is surprisingly left out of them. Congress can supposedly tell them they can't hear a case but that's it. But it's fine cause the courts will never be able to change laws or enforce anything right? Right?

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

The court was supposed to be the main arbitrator of the checks and balances, because it was initially believed that they weren’t corruptible. That’s obviously not the case, and we’re all screwed because of it

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since there are zero concrete consequences for SCOTUS members from having low confidence from the public, they would need to actually care about what the "plebes" think of them for that to make any difference.

Does the SC have any recourse if confidence from the public gets so low that states start ignoring them?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Not really, and it's happened before. Heck one of the worst presidents we ever had famously stated, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let's see him try to enforce it."

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

SCOTUS knows the confidence of them is at an all time low

Maybe, but the more important questions are "do they care", and also "does it improve their behavior"?

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Not only has he nothing more to offer them, but he has promised to be a dictator from day one, if reelected. A dictator threatens the power of judges in all courts. That's not something they should take lightly.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hey, they've got Ethics guidelines now, so they've solved whatever trust issues the public may have had, so they don't need to hear any of this malarkey anymore. It's full steam ahead for the Christo-nationalist fascist takeover.

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[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SCOTUS knows that Haley polls better against Biden than Trump does. It's in the interest of their owners that they block him from running.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Every single person in the country who has the power to make the decision to have the insurrectionist off the ballot , yet doesn't, is letting down The Constitution. Don't they have to take an oath, or is that only Federal positions?

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[–] killpunchdeluxe@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My boy's getting absolutely SWAMPED with legal action

I think he's at like $470,000 now for his fraud case

*edit LOL my b dudes $470 MILLION

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you're missing 3 zeroes in that number.

[–] killpunchdeluxe@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

My third world mind literally couldn't comprehend that many zeros

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you really want him to be your boy?

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Good, just in time for it to not matter. Glad they're being so quick about it. Great judicial system.

[–] CouncilOfFriends@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

'Insurrectionist ban', also know as the law and order this jackass bloviates about.

[–] maquise@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago

How many states does that make total?

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