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So I've realized that in conversations I'll use traditional terms for men as general terms for all genders, both singularly and for groups. I always mean it well, but I've been thinking that it's not as inclusive to women/trans people.

For example I would say:

"What's up guys?" "How's it going man?" "Good job, my dude!” etc.

Replacing these terms with person, people, etc sounds awkward. Y'all works but sounds very southern US (nowhere near where I am located) so it sounds out of place.

So what are some better options?

Edit: thanks for all the answers peoples, I appreciate the honest ones and some of the funny ones.

The simplest approach is to just drop the usage of guys, man, etc. Folks for groups and mate for singular appeal to me when I do want to add one in between friends.

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[–] terraborra@lemmy.nz 329 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 1 year ago

We can close this thread now. The question has been answered.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

instance name checks out

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] The_wild_card@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago

Threadkiller

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 159 points 1 year ago (20 children)
[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Y'all doesn't get enough love. It is gender neutral and extremely versatile.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. It's the plural of "you" that should be the official standard, since it disambiguates "you." It can even be broadened to include larger groups via "all y'all," as in, not just y'all in talking to, but all y'all in the house.

It can replace "guys", but not "man," though.

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[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 117 points 1 year ago (17 children)

A lot of people use “folks” for plural.

I feel like “guys” is fairly un-gendered but people disagree with me. Personally, I haven’t used the word “guys” to refer to anything male in what seems like forever.

“Bud” and “fella” are good singulars.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

I used to have a maths teacher who called almost every number "guy".

"And this guy goes to zero, while this guy goes to infinity!"

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[–] corymbia@reddthat.com 83 points 1 year ago (7 children)

In Australia the gender-neutral term is ‘Cunt’.

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[–] RampageDon@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A wise man once said, "I'm a dude, he's a dudes, she's a dude. We're all dudes. Hey!"

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Strange though, that when you ask most men how many dudes they've slept with suddenly, she's not a dude...

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[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Fuckers" is gender-neutral.

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[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 year ago

"Foolish mortals" is my go-to gender neutral form of address

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's up, cunts

Works best if they're your friends and also you're in Australia

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[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Try the following for groups:

Hey folks, how's it going?

Listen up assholes!

Greetings, gumshoes

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The simplest approach is to accept language is inherently gendered, and at a certain point it is exhausting to either take offense to everything or walk on eggshells.

I’m southern, so I use y’all almost exclusively lol

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[–] PM_me_trebuchets@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m AFAB enby, saying “you guys” and calling me “dude” is fine. Those to me aren’t gendered anymore. The people who get offended at general terms like these for groups of people need to touch grass.

But if you’re dead set on it, embrace y’all lol. Just don’t say it with a southern drawl and you’ll be fine. It’s a fantastic gender neutral term. You can also just train yourself not to add in the “you guys” to the “what’s up” phrase, and maybe just say “what’s up with you?” “What’s up with you all?” Etc.

[–] lembas@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Offended" is a bit of a strong word.

Many trans folks are, understandably, bummed out when gendered terms that refer to their AGAB are used to refer to them.

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to avoid causing that brief moment of dysphoria. That just feels like a thoughtful and kind thing to do.

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[–] IgnatiusJReilly@lemmy.wtf 36 points 1 year ago
[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All the alternatives make me cringe.

If someone is insulted that you use the term "guys" for a group, they're not worth being friends with. That's a lot of exhausting mental energy to deal with. Ignore 'em and move on.

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[–] Balinares@pawb.social 33 points 1 year ago

Everypony.

An oft overlooked option that leaves no one indifferent.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago
[–] lud@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] foo@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Regnissik@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I mean buddy is already gender neutral.

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[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I find "y'all" works pretty well, so does "folks" or even better "Fellow Workers."

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[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

'round here "guys" has become gender neutral. But "folks" is my go-to.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Man, guys, buddy, etc

Just use them as gender neutral. Done.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I say y'all. It's inclusive.

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[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Fellow kids

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Pulpogarden@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Earthlings is the only valid option

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[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 21 points 1 year ago

Folks or Everyone tend to be my go to.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Cheese bags.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

"Citizens". It has the added benefit of implying that you're an authority figure and they're in trouble.

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[–] wolfeh@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In the words of Kel Mitchell:

I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, 'cause we're all dudes.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

"Guys" is gender neutral already...

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[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guys is always fine as it refers to followers of Guy Faulks and pretty much anyone has probably considered blowing up parliament at some point.

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[–] Akareth@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

"My fellow great ape"

[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

folks, y'all, youse

friends / friend

comrades / comrade

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Guys is 100% gender neutral.

Also, can't go wrong with the old standby "Stay Fresh, Cheesebags!"

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[–] Nemo@midwest.social 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • cousins

  • friends

  • y'all

  • neighbors

  • folks

  • party party people

  • fellow-travellers

and, of course

  • fam
[–] sxan@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Is buddy really a problem?

I'd be more worried that someone thinks I'm treating them like a dog, than a man.

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