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    [–] db2@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago (6 children)
    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Some sort of hidden, concealed, clandestine internal QoS implementation in Windows. Reserving a portion of network bandwidth for high priority traffic sounds like a good concept, but I don't like the fact that this is so hidden (I've been working with computers for many years and I've never heard of it until now), and that the mechanism to determine the priority of a packet is unknown.

    [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    We know windows spyware traffic have the top priority.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I love shitting on Windows as much as anyone, but that is a completely baseless, fictitious accusation. And if not, give me a credible source.

    If anything, I'd keep spyware traffic as low-profile as reasonable in Microsoft's place.

    [–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I tend to agree.

    Nevertheless, some unknown implementation can have bugs and things can go wrong and there's nothing you can do about it, short of "rebooting" or d̷o̶w̸s̸i̷n̴g̸ ̴t̶h̸e̷ ̸h̵a̵r̵d̷ ̵d̷r̶i̴v̶e̷ ̵w̶i̴t̸h̷ ̸̞̺͠h̵̺͙̎̍o̸͔͠ͅḻ̷̀̇y̵͚͍̎ ̷͉̅̅w̸͎̔a̷̧̫̒́t̶̼̉̓ę̵̾͗r̶̫͑͑ ̴̣̿͒(̷͙̎a̸̬̺͝͝n̸̞̓̓d̴̬͌̍ ̸͇͕͌͝s̷̡̯̓͝u̸̡̳̇͝b̴̳͜͠s̷͍̘̽ë̵̜q̷̝͐̄ȕ̵̞̐e̷̲̠̐́ń̴̨̙͝t̸̛̬͝l̶̮̔͠y̴͕̪̑͝ ̵̖̆ḃ̴̪̟u̶̢͓͑̌y̵̜̤͌̏i̵̦̋ň̴̨͚̀g̸͓͑ ̴͍̬̽à̶͜ ̴͇͔̓n̴̬͂͜ì̷̢̛̯c̴̤̖̈́e̶̼̫̐̊ ̵̹̏͝f̸̙̀̑r̷̪̩͆͆e̸̤̫͛͋s̷̢̙̏h̷͇͔́ ̸̭̆͝N̷̰͗͛͜V̶͇͒̚M̸̟̍͜ě̷̛̟ ̸̢̞́͝a̷͙͔͒͒n̷̻͇͝d̸̘̥͌̾ ̴̜͓͑p̷̬͑͊ŭ̸̮̏t̸̲̀t̴̡͚̽í̶͎͓̑n̴͕̘̒̈́g̴͓̰̓͝ ̵͓̎a̴̻̼͗ ̷̦̍̈́s̷̥̅̈l̴̝̂e̴̞̅͊ḛ̴̊̅k̷͚̕ ̵̛̼̬͗D̴̻̾̽e̵̙͂̊b̷̝͘ī̵̢͇ą̵̂n̴͖̑ ̶̼̚h̴̼͂͑e̷̲͆̆a̵̡̋d̸̢͔̈l̶͕̍̍e̸̛͕̙̒s̶̞͔̀͠s̸̯͖̕ ̵͍̦̈́̉ ̸̨̨̓i̸̙͖͗̌ņ̶̯̍s̸̡̖͗̇ṯ̷́̒ä̵̦́̎l̶̼̄l̵̨͊̊ ̴̳͑͗ó̵͎̅ǹ̴͈̚ ̷͖͊͝i̷̠͇̊t̷̼̞͒͘)̵͎̤̔͌

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    [–] Nougat@fedia.io 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] sanguinet@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago

    It's not, and in a vacuum I don't think anyone would mind. It is the fact that it is concealed that is really shitty.

    "It reserves bandwidth for high-priority tasks such as Windows Update over other tasks that compete for internet bandwidth, like streaming a movie"

    As much as I'd like to keep my system up to date (and I really do), if I'm watching a movie then that is my priority. Any task I'm currently using the bandwidth on, should be considered my system's priority. This is akin to rebooting the computer when it determines it is necessary, with the user having little control to stop it; it's intend isn't malicious, and it is meant to protect the user, but all it achieves is upsetting the user and make us find ways around it or turn it off completely.

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    [–] Godort@lemm.ee 68 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I am currently dual booting and trying to get feature parity in my Linux install as a reletave newbie.

    So far the largest hurdle I've been able to solve was getting my RAID array recognized. That sent me down a rabbit hole.

    To get it working in Linux I needed to:

    • switch from LMDE to Mint proper
    • add a PPA repository
    • install the RAID driver
    • manually edit my grub config file to ignore AHCI
    • run a command to apply the change
    • reboot
    • format the volume

    To get it working in Windows I needed to:

    • format the volume(Windows gave me a popup with a single button to do this on login)
    [–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You'd normally use a software raid implementation these days, and Linux has a number of those. But yeah, dual booting can expose some quirks and filesystems and disk setup in general is one of the most prominent.

    [–] NathanUp@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This. How an advanced use case is accomplished is not a point against a system's usability.

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    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Are you using hardware RAID? yeah, that doesn't go too well with Linux... works perfectly in Windows though, cuz their softraid solutions are shit.

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    [–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    20 years ago, a friend said "Windows does whatever you don't tell it not to do". It is as true now as it was then.

    90% of configuring Windows is disabling shit.

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    [–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean, you don't HAVE to do any of that stuff in Windows, it's just helps a bit.

    I'm sure there are plenty of windows horror stories. But almost every Windows computer I've had in the last decade, both custom and OEM, has worked pretty well out of the box. And almost every Ubuntu computer I've had over the last decade has had problems that weren't trivial to fix.

    I like Linux, but when people compare these problems like they're the same just are missing the point.

    [–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yep exactly this. The user friendliness and likeliness it just works is much higher for Windows.

    If it doesn't work for Linux I've found it also will generally take much longer to figure out and fix.

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    [–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The reality is, for 98% plus of windows users, NONE of that matters. MS could give a shit about tech. nerds that want to de-bloat, reduce resources, install crazy niche thingyawidget....

    Pretty much everyone in this community is not their target.

    Car analogy! You are car guys running custom block modified street racers shitting on electric cars...

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    [–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "Windows Reserved Bandwidth" is just a QoS Packet Scheduler. The Linux Kernel has this too. Equally difficult to disable on any system, because its assumed you will want to be able to download a file and surf the web at the same time. You can turn it off I guess, if quality of service isn't your vibe.

    [–] SpermGoobler@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

    It's always funny seeing users doing their cargo cult dances when troubleshooting stuff

    Shocked Pikachu face when other stuff starts breaking because you 'optimised' 500 settings

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    [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    Reminder that Group Policy settings are disabled in home versions, and even some of the registry entries for updates are missing. To get a full package of windows with all the options you have to pay like $400 to $600 for their LTSC or maybe some of their Enterprise versions. Honestly, if anybody pirates Windows, then definitely pirate the LTSC.

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't think many dual booters actually pay for Windows licenses.

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    [–] Veticia@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Windows: Cannot print because error.

    User: What error?

    Windows: What error?

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    [–] savvywolf@pawb.social 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Windows and Linux are both easy to use... Provided that everything works out of the box.

    Once you have to actually start solving problems, Windows really starts to fall down because you have to spend ages looking through settings and perhaps installing tools like bcd editors. Like seriously, the number of places you can manage your microphone settings are insane.

    At this point, I think the only people that say Windows is easier are those that have never had to reinstall it or who have been using it since the XP days and haven't realised that it is all learned knowledge.

    I certainly think Linux tooling could be improved (a graphical fstab editor would be nice), but I struggle to see how troubleshooting in Windows is any easier than Linux.

    [–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Linux applications often give you some descriptive error that you can paste into an internet search and usually find someone who had the same problem.

    Windows applications just stop working and say "UNEXPECTED ERROR" or smth. Like thanks you literally didn't help at all.

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    [–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Learning Linux is learning how to use a computer.
    Learning Windows is learning how to avoid big companies will when you want to use your computer.

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    [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Meme's not wrong and I daily Linux, but how we got here is all that crap on the bottom has a pretty low chance of leaving you bricked and getting back from bricking windows is usually marginally trivial. The same people get lost in Linux, don't read warnings, do stupid shit without thinking then spend forever trying to muddle through how to fix it. Mr. LTT did it himself.

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    [–] Cringe2793@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Windows is easy to use if you don't care about privacy.

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    [–] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    As a linux user and developer and someone who works with linux servers all day for 20 years.

    Yes linux is complicated.

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    [–] charonn0@startrek.website 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Unpopular opinion: The Windows Registry, a centralized, strongly typed key:value database for application settings, is actually superior to hundreds of individual dotfiles, each one written in its own janky customized DSL, with its own idea of where it should live in the file system, etc.

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    [–] art@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    I know instantly how to get the packages I need in Linux but I had to do some research to enable the webcam in Windows 10.

    The idea that one OS is easier than the other is misattributed familiarity.

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    [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    OP never watched the LTT Linux video

    Edit: for people that also haven't watched it: Linus tried to use Pop-OS for gaming. When he tried to install Steam it uninstalled his desktop-environment leaving him with only a terminal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M

    [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    it did warn him to be fair. he had to type out "yes, do as i say", which is a HUGE red flag. even to me, a farely casual windows user.

    [–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Just watched that portion. When he scrolls down to "yes do as I say" you can literally see two lines above it stating it will remove desktop environment.

    Outputs exist for a reason, folks.

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    [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You right click the candy crush icon and press remove.

    Whotf does the other two things?

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    [–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (33 children)

    The longer i spend on lemmy the more curious i become about running linux.

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    [–] Kedly@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the exact reason I'm finally done with Windows. Customization and troubleshooting have become a nightmare since they started gi try and become more like Apple

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    [–] Interstellar_1@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I recently discovered, after a while of wondering why the audio quality in windows was worse than fedora that the automatic windows audio enhancements actually made the audio significantly worse 😅 meanwhile I still haven't figured out how to stop windows from randomly switching the audio source from my headphones to my nonexistent display monitor audio.

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    [–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    A big hurdle in any technological change is the "power users". People that have learned a lot about the old tech and have to face that knowledge becoming obsolete. And then having to learn a bunch of new things.

    The same goes for Windows power users as people who know a lot about fossil fuel powered cars.

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    [–] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    windows sucks ass for this exact reason but linux is definitely complicated and filled with weird bugs as well lol. i guess those bugs are better than spyware though

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    [–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The problem with RTFM is that TFM often does not cover the problem, and broader knowledge of the OS is required. You can't expect every app to come with a manual that covers how the entire OS works, but that knowledge is often required to get work done in Linux.

    People familiar with the guts of Linux or Windows will encounter these kinds of outside-the-instructions problems and know from experience what arcane setting to change or what 3rd party software needs to be installed before the procedures written in the manual will work as expected.

    IMO, the Windows GUI lowers the bar to begin trial-and-error learning and makes the learning process faster.

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    [–] XEAL@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Somethings are more complicated, others less and some others more entertaining if you like tinkering.

    [–] Kushan@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    It's not exactly a fair comparison, the tweaks in the bottom panel aren't necessary for most users to do, yet a new user to Linux will need to get over a learning curve to do fairly basic tasks.

    My litmus test for when Linux will be "ready" is can you do everything you need to do without using the terminal. So far I've yet to see a distribution that has achieved this.

    The closest thing I've seen is SteamOS.

    [–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I set up Linux Mint for my parents a few months ago. Never touched the terminal, everything was done in Mint's UI; the initial installation, Timeshift setup, theme customizing, app installations for Spotify, OnlyOffice, VLC, and Chrome, automatic updates, printer and scanner setup.

    Butter smooth so far.

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