Yet one more reason to not use the hot garbage that is RCS
this post was submitted on 01 Mar 2024
3 points (100.0% liked)
Android
19521 readers
150 users here now
The new home of /r/Android on Lemmy and the Fediverse!
Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
πUniversal Link: !android@lemdro.id
π‘Content Philosophy:
Content which benefits the community (news, rumours, and discussions) is generally allowed and is valued over content which benefits only the individual (technical questions, help buying/selling, rants, self-promotion, etc.) which will be removed if it's in violation of the rules.
Support, technical, or app related questions belong in: !askandroid@lemdro.id
For fresh communities, lemmy apps, and instance updates: !lemdroid@lemdro.id
π¬Matrix Chat
π°Our communities below
Rules
-
Stay on topic: All posts should be related to the Android OS or ecosystem.
-
No support questions, recommendation requests, rants, or bug reports: Posts must benefit the community rather than the individual. Please post to !askandroid@lemdro.id.
-
Describe images/videos, no memes: Please include a text description when sharing images or videos. Post memes to !androidmemes@lemdro.id.
-
No self-promotion spam: Active community members can post their apps if they answer any questions in the comments. Please do not post links to your own website, YouTube, blog content, or communities.
-
No reposts or rehosted content: Share only the original source of an article, unless it's not available in English or requires logging in (like Twitter). Avoid reposting the same topic from other sources.
-
No editorializing titles: You can add the author or website's name if helpful, but keep article titles unchanged.
-
No piracy or unverified APKs: Do not share links or direct people to pirated content or unverified APKs, which may contain malicious code.
-
No unauthorized polls, bots, or giveaways: Do not create polls, use bots, or organize giveaways without first contacting mods for approval.
-
No offensive or low-effort content: Don't post offensive or unhelpful content. Keep it civil and friendly!
-
No affiliate links: Posting affiliate links is not allowed.
Quick Links
Our Communities
- !askandroid@lemdro.id
- !androidmemes@lemdro.id
- !techkit@lemdro.id
- !google@lemdro.id
- !nothing@lemdro.id
- !googlepixel@lemdro.id
- !xiaomi@lemdro.id
- !sony@lemdro.id
- !samsung@lemdro.id
- !galaxywatch@lemdro.id
- !oneplus@lemdro.id
- !motorola@lemdro.id
- !meta@lemdro.id
- !apple@lemdro.id
- !microsoft@lemdro.id
- !chatgpt@lemdro.id
- !bing@lemdro.id
- !reddit@lemdro.id
Lemmy App List
Chat and More
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
I wish they would open it up to other apps
RCS is walled off by design, so that users are dependent on Google and their phone carrier. If they wanted an open standard they would have adopted something like XMPP.
No... RCS is a protocol (from GSMA) anyone can implement, Google just spearheaded it and developed Jibe to make it easy for operators to implement, but by doing this it means Google gained a lot of control of it and added their own features to such as end-to-end encryption.
RCS is designed to be used with a phone number though. And fall back to SMS when unavailable. If XMPP was used.
If RCS was fully walled off, Apple would not be able to implement it like they said they would
The proprietary RCS standard is owned by the GSMA. They can license the use of RCS to large companies such as Google, Samsung, or mobile operators. But can a private developer get a license and develop his own RCS client? I think not.
Honestly how fucking dare they mess with communication like that, especially with no notice. I've been missing messages from my roommate and dad with no sign of anything being misconfigured. It's one thing for things to be inadvertently broken from rooting, but doing it on purpose under the table is disgusting behavior
Turns out I was missing messages also from my mom during a family emergency. I'll probably be disabling RCS going forward
Reasoning
They stated its for reducing spam and that jazz.
However, it has the hidden benefit of yet another reason to avoid rooting, which means less access to functional adblocking
yet another reason to avoid rooting
we can all agree that literally nobody would give up their rooted phone if they're forced to choose between root or RCS
I don't care how many services they break, I'm not giving up root access.
How's Google pay with root doing these days?
Been paying a bunch on my rooted custom a13 rom in the past 2 months. 1 single magisk module (Play Integrity Fix by chiteroman) was all it took, simpler than it has been in a long time. I have full safetynet or 2/3 play integrity reliably, which to my understanding is all google can reasonably enforce on modern devices and android versions for a while to come.
So with sadness I must say I can't use google pay at all ... cause they killed it. But google wallet (formerly google pay, formerly android pay, formerly google wallet, formerly google checkout), works just fine
They say that it's for reducing spam but then i read that in india they allow businesses to pay for sending unsolicited spam to the point that enabling RCS it's like stating "i like spam, please send more"
Google should be forced to open up RCS to third-parties with this move.
Why? How about we just make something better.
We did. RCS was made over a decade ago by mobile phone OEMs
Except now that everything runs Android and theres so few OEMs left, Google gets to dictate a ton of stupid requirements even though it's open source and runs off the Linux kernel.
They already paid Samsung to remove RCS from their messages app so that google messages would be the only major app with support.
Incidentally, it runs like complete garbage compared to even the OEM SMS apps of Android jellybean.
So when they go around making a hissy fit about imessage, I really don't care because I can't even use RCS without using their shitty gapp.
The current alternative is a data based app like signal.
An "industry standard" that Google seems to have complete control over. Sound like another failed Google messaging app.
Not one single mention in the article of what an "RCS message" is.
Boy do I hate articles that just assume you know all the context you need.
Google Messages is a mess. It NEVER falls back to SMS if you lose data connection, making it very unreliable.
As a result I've had several messages fail, with no notice unless I open the app and see the "failed" message.
As a result I disabled RCS and the app and installed QKSMS and only use SMS. It's 100% reliable. For chats I use WhatsApp.
Add to that they are now blocking rooted users WITHOUT TELLING THEM, and it's really a pile of steaming sh!t.
Suchai needs to go. Google as a whole is getting worse under his leadership.
Even Android has stagnated under him. It should be way better than it is but he doesn't inspire creativity and excitement in the staff. They are all playing it safe, with zero innovation.
They're focused on generative AI. everything else takes a backseat
I'm on LineageOS, rooted, and RCS is working for me. Is the block tied to the device safety attestation?
My device (somehow?) passes safety check, and I've had no problems with my banking app, Pay, or other annoying apps that insist you don't own your own device.
I'm not sure which level I pass, I can use everything but etrade right now.
Tap to pay using gpay and all my banking apps work
You can use Simple Play Integrity Checker on IzzyOnDroid (fdroid repo) or the play store. It also checks safetynet.
If g~~pay~~wallet works that would indicate 2/3 play integrity if your android is recent I think, so it might be unrelated to the api. 3/3 isn't enforceable yet afaik, too many legitimate devices can't pass it.
Apps can still bring their own root checks, but magiskhide should allow you to pass those.
Unless the app is quite nasty and checks for the mere presence of apps that don't do much without root or xposed, in which case there are also modules that allow you to limit what apps other apps can see being installed (really seeing installed apps should be a permission, but sadly it isn't on most roms yet)
You pass without Magisk? Curious if you're on a Pixel as they can fail attestation if the bootloader is unlocked.
No, I have Magisk which is probably what it is. I'm still used to the r/LineageOS rules where you're not allowed to even mention the existence of Magisk. lol
I haven't rooted any phones or flashed roms in years. Please let me know why it's so taboo to mention Magisk?
No idea. It was just a rule in that sub.
Probably gatekeeping them normies
Play Integrity Fix currently fixes this
I have 15.8 installed but I'll try 15.9 and report back
Edit: 15.9 does fix
I used to unlock the bootloaders for a couple of years on all my phones, 10 years ago or so. I installed cyanogenmod and used it the way it was supposed to: rooted. But then Google Pay came along as well as banking apps that actually did their jobs better then the banks' web sites. You couldn't use either of that reliably with a rooted phone. So now I am back to stock android and I am actually quite happy with it. I like the google services, including Google Pay. Also, stock android improved a lot since the early 10s.
Cool, good for you.