Panamalt

Ok, now I'm curious, why is it only after I call you out that you decide to read what I wrote with any criticality? What about my argument (which I happily acknowledged was based purly on personal experience, and therefore not all parts are universally applicable to everyone) makes you think I'm nothing more than a dumb internet troll with no meaningful opinions or thoughts worth sharing or discussing like adults?

Sure, parenthesis need a buddy, but I still find them a lot faster to type simply because it is always the exact same two keys. No stopping to hunt for operators and symbols that seem to move or disappear every, single, fucking, time. When handwriting, parenthesis only takes one single, quick stroke that stays in line with what you are writing (maybe a small thing, but I find it important if my hands hurt, aka. always).

At no point have I argued the elimination of the operators, only that using them exclusively determine order of operations presents an accessibility issue and is largely unintuitive for many individuals.

The actual reason I find the parenthesis easier to read is because it isolates the problem into distinct, physically easier to read sections that eliminates a hard to distinguish operator and creates a clear step-by-step process to solving the problem that doesn't really on any rule beyond working from the inside out.

Single operator problems can be solved in any sequence, no parenthesis or order of operations needed. In your example, it's literally no different than combining like terms. But beyond basic cases like that, parenthesis always create a more comprehensible problem. Tell me, which is more clear and has less room for error:

1+2+3×4+5+6

1+2+3÷4+5+6

1+2×3÷4*5-6

OR

(1+2+3)(4+5+6)

(1+2+3)/(4+5+6)

1+((2×3)/(4×5))-6

Literally, all I'm arguing is that parenthesis make math easier to read and less prone to error or unintentional misinterpretation and should therefore replace the potential amigousness of order of operations. On top of that, I find them to be dramatically more efficient. Not everyone feels the same, fair enough, not really trying to paint with broad strokes on that front.

Oh, you don't know how to read, carry on then.

This is more a consequence of manipulative propaganda and poor education being weaponized against people, rather than a direct reflection of constitutional gun laws.

Revisions don't really make sense for Framework in the same way as most other tech companies though, simply because of how upgradable and swappable the laptops are. My 13 probably has parts from two or three different "versions" at this point, and works like Lucky Charms.

Simple rules are only simple if they are intuitive and consistently applicable. Otherwise, they are nothing more than yet another thing to remember and think about, yet another source of error, and yet another possible point of confusion. With enough time/ effort, one can brute force the intuitiveness, but that doesn't automatically make the rule good or universally useful.

As a math teacher, I can assure you that not everyone has the same level of understanding or knowledge when it comes to order of operations. Some people struggle to remember the specific order, and mnemonics are worthless. Others struggle to read or visually process problems written with unclear or inconsistent symbology. Hell, most people don't even learn exactly the same fucking rules. Tell me, where is the simplicity in all of that?

When I teach order of operations, the glass eyes and exasperated sighs of frustration come out. But when I teach just the parenthesis and exponent stuff, lightbulbs and understanding. Suddenly, people "too dumb" to do 2+2 are doing algebra and getting excited about math for the first time ever. Some of this is certainly a failing of our collective education system, but we can't just forget that everyone has their own flavor of learning disability, neuro-diversity, and life experience. Simple rules quickly fail to be simple in the face of complex people.

I find this to be unironically both easier to read (by an incredibly wide, dyslexic margin) and faster to write and type.

Parenthesis consists of only two symbols that only require two keyboard keys and a single stroke of a pen to write compared to the four keys and varying strokes of the standard operators (aka. more efficient). But, far more importantly for me anyway, "+", "×", "*", "÷", all look nearly identical unless I stare the keyboard or problem for an agonizing century (waste of time, perhaps?) and even then it's a mystery whether my brain processed the symbology correctly or put the numbers in the right spot to do math (yep, waste of time). The humble ( ), however, is very easy to see, and it creates neat little windows that don't leave much room for misinterpretation.

2*7²+5*3³ = accessibility nightmare

(2(7²))+(5(3³)) = readable with clearly defined order of operations

I did preface this by pointing out I'm weird.

I bet the real % is a lot higher

Fun fact: I have literally never not fallen asleep watching an episode of x-files

(Might be due other underlying neurological issues, but shush)

I upgraded to windows 11

That explains it all, lol

Nice of you to dodge the question . . .

And that makes the coercive force-feeding of shit we never asked for acceptable?