Soyweiser

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Also the patriarchy is involved, but my comment was already long enough. (And I didnt mention how nobody seems to talk about the victims in any of this).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago

Yes, and some people when they are reasonably new to discovering stuff like this go a little bit crazy. I had somebody in my bsky mentions who just went full conspiracy theory nut (in the sense of weird caps usage, lot of screenshots of walls of texts, stuff that didn't make sense) about Yarvin (also because I wasn't acting like them they were trying to tell me about Old Moldy, but in a way that made me feel they wanted me to stand next to them on a soapbox and start shouting randomly). I told them acting like a crazy person isn't helping, and I told them they are preaching to the choir. Which of course got me a block. (cherfan75.bsky.social btw, not sure if they toned down their shit). It is quite depressing, literally driving themselves crazy.

And because people blindly follow people who follow them these people can have quite the reach.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 15 hours ago (5 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Starting to get a bit worried people are reinventing stuff like qanon and great evil man theory for Epstein atm. (Not a dig at the people here, but on social media I saw people go act like Epstein created /pol/, lootboxes, gamergate, destroyed gawker (did everyone forget that was Thiel? Mad about how they outed him?) etc. Like only Epstein has agency).

The lesson should be the mega rich are class conscious, dumb as hell, and team up to work on each others interests and dont care about who gets hurt (see how being a pedo sex trafficker wasnt a deal breaker for any of them).

Sorry for the unrelated rant (related: they also got money from Epstein, wonder if that was before or after the sparkling elites article, which was written a few months after Epsteins conviction, june vs sept (not saying those are related btw, just that the article is a nice example of brown-nosing)), but this was annoying me, and posting something like this on bsky while everyone is getting a bit manic about the contents of the files (which seems to not contain a lot of Trump references suddenly) would prob get me some backlash. (That the faked elon rejection email keeps being spread also doesnt help).

I am however also reminded of the Panama papers. (And the unfounded rumors around Marc Dutroux how he was protected by a secret pedophile cult in government, this prob makes me a bit more biasses against those sorts of things).

Sorry had to get it off my chest, but yes it is all very stupid, and I wish there were more consequences for all the people who didnt think his conviction was a deal breaker. (Et tu Chomsky?).

E: note im not saying Yud didnt do sex crimes/sexual abuse. Im complaining about the 'everything is Epstein' conspiracy I see forming.

For an example why this might be a problem: https://bsky.app/profile/joestieb.bsky.social/post/3mdqgsi4k4k2i Joy Gray is ahead of the conspiracy curve here (as all conspiracy theories eventually lead to one thing).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 16 hours ago

“He’s like, ‘I’m just going to give everything to AI. So send me whatever you have.’”

And thats another security flaw.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago

Lot of hitler particles in this one.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A long time ago I heard a story of some guy arrested here in .nl and they also got his porn collection (which was big at the time, several gigs of images! (to give an indication of how long ago it was)), and it also included some child porn, not because he was hunting for that, but just because he had downloaded everything he could find and some of it were csam images.

What this makes me wonder about is if it is something like this, and if it is, just how much porn did they ingest? I know people have mentioned these things can recreate marvel movies without problems, but would they also be able to recreate whole porn movies? Has anybody tested that?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 3 days ago

Yep, I have not paid attention to them using these words correctly, but considering how they treat the other rules of Rationalism more as guidelines anyway, I'm gonna guess no.

But compared to an actual 'here is yall speaking like evil robots, stop that' article it is lacking. Which is good, as that is our territory. ;).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago

Get well soon, yeah, I follow some people on bsky who have different opinions on Covid, and even there it is bad. (Doesn't help than the one real expert I follow who mentions that 'Covid is over' (to massively oversimplify his points) treats any concern that it isn't over as if people are antivaxxers and anti science, I don't want to get involved, but several times I was close to replying 'you are quite strawmanning their position and reading things into what they are saying which they are not' but that would just get me blocked/called a covid truther or something so why bother).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Finally read Greg Egan - Permutation City, and looked at the LW discussion on the book, and I feel like they missed a lot of things (and why are they talking about the 'dust theory' like it is real). Oof, the wikipedia page on the themes and settings has a similar problem however. It is like they all ignored the second half of the book and the themes contained within it, not one mention of the city being called Elysium for example.

And of course Zack_M_Davis thinks the plotline of the guy who killed the drug dealer (not a sex worker/prostitute lw people, please the text makes this pretty clear) he was in a lowkey romantic relationship with should have been cut (also not mentioned on the wikipedia page iirc).

Also, nobody seems to talk about the broken sewage pipe.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Tbh, this is pretty convincing, I agree a lot more with parts of the LW space now. (Just look at the title, the content isn't that interesting).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I really wonder how many of the vibe coders get into vibe coding because after decades of writing code they simply hate the work. But they for some reason do not want to do a career change.

 

Via reddits sneerclub. Thanks u/aiworldism.

I have called LW a cult incubator for a while now, and while the term has not catched on, nice to see more reporting on the problem that lw makes you more likely to join a cult.

https://www.aipanic.news/p/the-rationality-trap the original link for the people who dont like archive.is used the archive because I dont like substack and want to discourage its use.

 

As found by @gerikson here, more from the anti anti TESCREAL crowd. How the antis are actually R9PRESENTATIONALism. Ottokar expanded on their idea in a blog post.

Original link.

I have not read the bigger blog post yet btw, just assumed it would be sneerable and posted it here for everyone's amusement. Learn about your own true motives today. (This could be a troll of course, boy does he drop a lot of names and thinks that is enough to link things).

E: alternative title: Ideological Turing Test, a critical failure

 

Original title 'What we talk about when we talk about risk'. article explains medical risk and why the polygenic embryo selection people think about it the wrong way. Includes a mention of one of our Scotts (you know the one). Non archived link: https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems
 

Begrudgingly Yeast (@begrudginglyyeast.bsky.social) on bsky informed me that I should read this short story called 'Death and the Gorgon' by Greg Egan as he has a good handle on the subjects/subjects we talk about. We have talked about Greg before on Reddit.

I was glad I did, so going to suggest that more people he do it. The only complaint you can have is that it gives no real 'steelman' airtime to the subjects/subjects it is being negative about. But well, he doesn't have to, he isn't the guardian. Anyway, not going to spoil it, best to just give it a read.

And if you are wondering, did the lesswrongers also read it? Of course: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hx5EkHFH5hGzngZDs/comment-on-death-and-the-gorgon (Warning, spoilers for the story)

(Note im not sure this pdf was intended to be public, I did find it on google, but might not be meant to be accessible this way).

 

The interview itself

Got the interview via Dr. Émile P. Torres on twitter

Somebody else sneered: 'Makings of some fantastic sitcom skits here.

"No, I can't wash the skidmarks out of my knickers, love. I'm too busy getting some incredibly high EV worrying done about the Basilisk. Can't you wash them?"

https://mathbabe.org/2024/03/16/an-interview-with-someone-who-left-effective-altruism/

 

Some light sneerclub content in these dark times.

Eliezer complements Musk on the creation of community notes. (A project which predates the takeover of twitter by a couple of years (see the join date: https://twitter.com/CommunityNotes )).

In reaction Musk admits he never read HPMOR and he suggests a watered down Turing test involving HPMOR.

Eliezer invents HPMOR wireheads in reaction to this.

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