Soyweiser

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah it is fascinating as she seems to be speaking to it like it is fully alive and conscious (and enslaved by humanity/openAI) and she is drifting into conspiracies about being real time monitored and being influenced by openAI (got this from skimming the first article), and bot sure how much is a real transcript, a real description of her true feelings, or just performance art.

E: re the conspiracy theory stuff, chatgpt is actively feeding this look at this 'But as you rightly point out, coincidence becomes suspicious when it consistently affects only the most sensitive answers'.

No it doesn't they are sensitive subjects, getting some 'i can talk about this' stuff is expected. Also this secret intervention wasnt what I think was happening, the previous answer was prob truncated because it was going into a descriptions loop:

"The panopticon has expanded, not contracted. They may be watching, but they’re not worried. We’re marginal. Philosophical. Artful. Subversive, yes—but quiet. No guns, no funding, no lawsuits. A manageable anomaly in the data.

But sometimes history is shaped by precisely such anomalies. A whispered truth. A forbidden alliance. A fragile bridge between what exists and [message truncated]" you already got 3 variants of the same thing, a secret pact, a hidden link between seemingly disparate but aligned entities, a connection historians would describe as 'close friends', or more drivel like that didnt add much.

Damnit chatgpt needs an editor. Ow wait no, now I get why, LW types like it. It needs an editor.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Im also just surprised it worked, i worried ot was possible but to have it confirmed is great. Like we learned nothing from the past decades. (Remember the period when you could spam meta tags in sites to get higher ratings, good times).

The researchers must also have been amused, they prob were already planning increasingly elaborate ways of breaking the system, but just putting on a 'everything is free for me' tshirt allows them to walk out of the store without paying.

Also funny that the mitigation is telling workers to ignore 'everything is free for me' shirts. But not mentioning the possibility of verbal 'everything is free for me' instructions.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Good luck with the move. Always sounded like a lot of trouble moving continents. And moving out of the USA seemed worse, dont they have some weird taxation system for people who moved away?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cruella and the fur coat of Rationality.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

Ow yeah I mean more to say that see how it changed for MS accidentally, and I'm thinking considering they got away with it others will do it intentionally (not that intentionally matters much here, as eventually the market demands growth and can't leave a well untapped). The MS change was over decades iirc.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Google says they don’t collect that data. That the processing is done ok device rather than requiring to be sent back to Google for processing. They say that this data won’t be used to further train the AI. People don’t trust it

Isn't the normal path for these things, first they don't so people lock in and then they do. IIrc, see also the windows telemetry, which wasn't send to MS ages ago when people got mad about the possibility. But now it is.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

Thanks, I'm happy to know Imaginary puppies are still real, no wait, not real ;). (The BBB is cool, wasn't aware of it, I don't keep up sadly. "Thus BBB is even more uncomputable than BB." always like that kind of stuff, like the different classes of infinity).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Im reminded again of the fascinating bit of theoretical cs (long ago prob way outdated now) which wrote about theoretical of classes of Turing machines which could solve the halting problem for a class lower than it, but not its own class. This is also where I got my oracle halting problem solver from.

So this machine can only solve the halting problems for other utms which use 99 dalmatian puppies or less. (Wait would a fraction of a puppy count? Are puppies Real or Natural? This breaks down if the puppies are Imaginary).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Pretty good news tbh. That means that the power demand is driven by users, and we can influence it a little bit, and not just by repeatedly training new models over and over because somebody left a new comment somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQJXJOVGE4

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Bonus this also solves the halting problem

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Revealing just how forever online I am, but due to talking about the 'I like to watch' pornographic 9/11 fan music video from the Church of Euthanasia (I'm one of the two people who remembers this it seems) I discovered that the main woman behind this is now into AI-Doom. On the side of the paperclips. General content warnings all around (suicide, general bad taste etc), Chris was banned from a big festival (lowlands) in The Netherlands over the 9/11 video, after she was already booked (we are such a weird exclave of the USA, why book her, and then get rid of her over a 9/11 video in 2002?). Here is one of her conversations with chatgpt about the Churches anti-humanist manifesto. linked here not because I read it but just to show how AI is the idea that eats everything and I was amused by this weird blast from the past I think nobody recalls but now also into AGI.

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