Okay, thank you, ill try to do that.
You can play pretend, but you've directly responded to the biblical passages I've supplied in previous comments, so it's foolish of you to make believe.
lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn't make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.
You keep using "debunk" incorrectly.
You have been proven ignorant about your bible and incorrect about your god. This does not mean you have "debunked" anything,
It is not misandry because those men were not being attacked specifically because they were men; it is misogyny for Lot to claim ownership over his daughters and offer them to be raped specifically because he values them less as women.
jesus endorses slavery in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses incest in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses misogyny in his own words in multiple passages.
Those are written, verifiable passages supplied above for your reference. You are ignorant of you own book, but those passages exist.
jesus endorses misogyny, incest and slavery in the christian bible and so does anyone who endorses that novel.
Maslow, but anti-intellectualism doesn't help
"Are we victim blaming now?"
If you are, you should stop. Christians victim-blame too regularly.
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good for you to acknowledge lot's christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.
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Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn't realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.
"Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?...did we not prophesy..."
Fiction and speculation is useless here. You have the relevant christian biblical quotes above detailing christian slavery, christian misogyny, and christian greed, and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.
Either jesus is teaching pedophilia and murder to christians, or christians are raping chlidren and murdering people because jesus cannot control his flock.
either way, jesus is a terrible "master".
"...I addressed mindlessly"
try addressing the quotes mindfully.
Jesus endorses misogyny, slavery and incest in "his" book, and so does anyone who worships his words.
"If you really want me to demonstrate more that the bible doesn't promote these things..."
This thread is simply a guide on how to debunk christian self-delusions.
I heartily encourage you to try again.
Very cool!
"he does exactly that- teach and control them."
So your belief is that jesus teaches christians to rape children and murder people. Weird take, but it does sound christian.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
jesus has no control over Christians.
On hoarding wealth:
Many self-professed Christians hoard wealth, defying their book rule that "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
“the bible doesn’t teach these things”
Quotes provided above praise the selfishness of men, misogyny and dominion over women, and the christian righteousness of slavery.
When you worship that book or its writers, you are worshiping incest, selfishness, misogyny and slavery, among other "sins".
“we sing amazing grace”
does not help all the kids christians raped, hospitals bombed or the people dying every hour from hoarded christian wealth.
This is the difference between the real world, where christians regularly harm people, and a novel like the bible, which you are pretending does not include its own direct quotes about slavery. Which is crazy, because the bible praises and promotes slavery and slave owners a LOT.
“I doubt you’ve read the bible.”
doubt away thomas. you seem very unfamiliar with the christian bible.
or you're pretending the christian bible doesn’t promote incest, slavery, misogyny and selfishness despite direct biblical quotes.
I’m quoting relevant, accurate passages and dealing with the text honestly, you either haven't read the christian bible or are pretending you haven’t read it because you are aware how embarrassing and immoral it is to worship slavery and incest.
To be fair, It is very christian of you to hide from the reality and consequences of your professed faith and ignore the actual text.
"jesus is a perfect master. he is patient."
Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.
jesus is a bad master.
"No, it isnt"
Adherents of a philosophy, in practice(in practical application, or the "real world"), define how that philosophy interacts with the world.
Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.
"christians" define christianity and how christianity exists in the world.
"Not, we don't"
The christian bible glorifies slavery as righteous. You worship that book.
"No, it isnt"
Slavery according to the christian bible:
"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect"
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them,"
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything"
The Bible glorifies slavery as righteous and christian.
According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves and for those slaves to be willing slaves to their masters.
But it's one silly book among millions, you don't have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.
"...cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act"
An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.
"...humans are corrupt and wild..."
correct, jesus is not a perfect master
"are you accusing me..."
I wasn't, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.
"Slave owning isn't righteous"
Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.
Time to scrutinize your values.
the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.
it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.
"It's not about owning slaves or worshipping fear"
By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.
but that's okay because it's just a book, one of millions, and there's a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.
- "Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty."
and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.
- "jesus is...the perfect master..."
a. jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.
b. being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn't make owning slaves admirable or righteous.
2 again: "...died for mankind."
jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.
Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself. It's an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.
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Worked great thanks. I didn't realize how easy it was to install DEs