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I posted this on /c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns but on further reflection that was possibly an error because it's a question about cis. Since I'm seeking ideas that would be relevant to a cis person it would be better to pose the question more widely. Trans people probably don't spend much time reading stuff describing why they are human and debunking arguments to the contrary so might not have such sources on the tip of the tongue.

The original thread has lots of good answers and I am mulling them over and following sources. So you should read them if you are interested.

Hope it's not ridiculous to x-post myself. :/

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3576012

I don't know if any CW are required for this but if so suggest them and I will add. I'm not mentioning any particular hateful things; just the presence of them.

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An old comrade of mine has fallen into the grips of anti trans bigotry.

It has been happening for 10+ years and I have raised the issue multiple times when we've been together or in touch. They downplayed their investment in the ideas.

Recently I have learned that it has crept into their mass organizing. This person is an excellent, committed, powerful organizer working for years at a local level.

I think they are now getting in to organizing explicitly on anti-trans grounds. They have capacity to be highly effective at this. But really it is the integration of anti-trans stuff into legitimate mass organizing work that is more dangerous. My understanding is that they are seeking to orient these orgs against the interests of trans people and to exclude trans people and even trans-allied people from organizing.

This person made many key political contributions to who I am. Much of the good I have done as an organizer is due to their influence on me. Without them I would have ended up the most insufferable kind of lib. On a personal level, it breaks my heart to see this has happened to a dear friend. I feel compelled to attempt to return the wisdom and patience they afforded me when I needed it, and offer them a better perspective, help them be a better organizer.

I plan to attempt intervention. We live far away from each other but do keep occasional contact. Less so over recent years just due to being on different social media platforms. I could get some correspondence and maybe a phone call to discuss this on the basis of our long standing relationship. I would offer to maintain the dialogue on going if they were willing.

• general advice?
• have you tried this and if so how did it go?
• is there hope?
• some kind of FAQ covering anti-trans misinformation; more in-depth and comprehensive would be better (for me to read)
• writing/ideas aimed specifically at communists/socialists
• theory to understand trans* from marxist/materialist perspective
  • I know this sounds stupid but they already have theory to hate trans*
• This person is coming at it from a TERF (as in actual old school radical feminsm) perspective, not a right-wing/fash perspective
• The idea of "bourgeois decadence" is important here. It's not something I ever found to be very compelling so I don't have much analysis to counter it.

• Added in the crosspost: This video Trans Liberation & Marxism: Is Gender Identity Actually Anti-Materialist? | Let's Talk Patriarchy provides the idea of "sexual metaphysics" around the 20-minute mark and I'd like to know if folks think it is a useful road to pursue?

Of course I have my own ideas and knowledge but I'm sure all of the above has been perfected so I want to make sure I have the best at top of mind.

This person is pretty stubborn, as required to be a lifelong revolutionary. So I know I'm not going to turn the ship around in one conversation. I am considering strategy of reformism or harm reduction. For example if I could convince them to avoid bringing these ideas into their organizing, even while still holding them privately, it would be a benefit.

I don't know if any CW are required for this but if so suggest them and I will add. I'm not mentioning any particular hateful things; just the presence of them.

An old comrade of mine has fallen into the grips of anti trans bigotry.

It has been happening for 10+ years and I have raised the issue multiple times when we've been together or in touch. They downplayed their investment in the ideas.

Recently I have learned that it has crept into their mass organizing. This person is an excellent, committed, powerful organizer working for years at a local level.

I think they are now getting in to organizing explicitly on anti-trans grounds. They have capacity to be highly effective at this. But really it is the integration of anti-trans stuff into legitimate mass organizing work that is more dangerous. My understanding is that they are seeking to orient these orgs against the interests of trans people and to exclude trans people and even trans-allied people from organizing.

This person made many key political contributions to who I am. Much of the good I have done as an organizer is due to their influence on me. Without them I would have ended up the most insufferable kind of lib. On a personal level, it breaks my heart to see this has happened to a dear friend. I feel compelled to attempt to return the wisdom and patience they afforded me when I needed it, and offer them a better perspective, help them be a better organizer.

I plan to attempt intervention. We live far away from each other but do keep occasional contact. Less so over recent years just due to being on different social media platforms. I could get some correspondence and maybe a phone call to discuss this on the basis of our long standing relationship. I would offer to maintain the dialogue on going if they were willing.

• general advice?
• have you tried this and if so how did it go?
• is there hope?
• some kind of FAQ covering anti-trans misinformation; more in-depth and comprehensive would be better (for me to read)
• writing/ideas aimed specifically at communists/socialists
• theory to understand trans* from marxist/materialist perspective
  • I know this sounds stupid but they already have theory to hate trans*
• This person is coming at it from a TERF (as in actual old school radical feminsm) perspective, not a right-wing/fash perspective
• The idea of "bourgeois decadence" is important here. It's not something I ever found to be very compelling so I don't have much analysis to counter it.

Of course I have my own ideas and knowledge but I'm sure all of the above has been perfected so I want to make sure I have the best at top of mind.

This person is pretty stubborn, as required to be a lifelong revolutionary. So I know I'm not going to turn the ship around in one conversation. I am considering strategy of reformism or harm reduction. For example if I could convince them to avoid bringing these ideas into their organizing, even while still holding them privately, it would be a benefit.

A while ago Knowledge Fight podcast had on Jon Ronson to talk about his latest podcast Things Fell Apart and it was a friendly discussion. But when I started to listen to it I was like what the fuck. It is some anti trans anti vax nonesense.

Ronson is well liked by a lot of libs due to his pretense of taking a fair and compassionate outside view of difficult to understand subjects and relationships. I dont personally find he is so great at it but this case is epic fail as the old ppl say.

Recently this other show, Where There's Woke has been doing a take-down series on it and I'm finding it fun. They do their own primary research to fact check statements made. Especially when Ronson claimed it was "impossible to know" etc.

It is currently eps 56-63 of WTW.

RSS: https://feeds.libsyn.com/477549/rss

Pardon: https://www.patreon.com/wherethereswoke

One of my top 10 songs of all time. I understand it to remind us not to take each other, or ourselves, for granted.

Another similar rendition of the song I like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIbQHIBkwUc

This may be the last time we shit post together

May be the last time, I don't know.

A lot of invidious instances seem not to be working today. This link is working for me at time of posting: https://invidious.private.coffee/watch?v=VhnCrHZkgNk

Other infos:

June 12, 1956: Paul Robeson Testifies Before HUAC - Zinn Education Project

"You Are the Un-Americans, and You Ought to be Ashamed of Yourselves": Paul Robeson Appears Before HUAC

Paul Robeson congressional hearings - Wikipedia

For the dunk tank I would like to submit whoever designed the fire alarm (or some other device) that has been chirping loooudly every 15 seconds for the past day. Probably has low batteries. I guess whichever of my neighbours is in charge of it isn't home to notice.

I will assume it's a smoke detector or other legitimate safety device and not something stupid.

It makes sense to alert rather than silently failing but how about every few minutes rather than multiple times every minute.

This is good intentions gone bad so I think on topic but I will accept cancellation.

I was listening to recent true anon with Tom O'Neill. It sounded like he said that chapo got him on joe rogan. it was kind of mumbly and there was noise in the background where I was at so not sure if I heard it properly. something about jfk stuff.

the impression i got is that cth made an introduction or something.

are they friends

I found a way to retrieve the text of comments deleted by user or mod. I don't think it is an issue of federated instances not respecting the deletion.

Is it a bug?

Or is "deleting" always really just "hiding"?

For years I thought "Bring Em Young University" was a joke about the mormon practice of marrying girls to old men. Come to find out the religion was started by a guy "Brigham Young" after whom an actual university is named and nobody thinks that's weird at all.

I thought "Joe Mansion" was some kind of bizarro world "Joe the Plumber". Maybe joking about rich conservatives putting on affectations of being working class. He is actually a politician and his name is spelled "Manchin" and some people seem to think he's on the left.