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Have people...actually thought I was being serious?

It's been the biggest supporter of Israel from the beginning. The US support is just a distraction from where the true power comes from

If he wanted progressivism he would have gone ahead and started on that over a year ago when they got into power. Going off his and his cabinet's words and actions so far he really doesn't want progressivism. I'll wait and see what happens but this just seems like he's trying to capitalise on the Your Party controversy, hoping by saying stuff like this that some of the people who went over to YP from Labour come back

You're framing this like I'm here claiming Sultana is the reason for this shitshow. I didn't. She isn't 100% responsible, but is clearly very much a key part of it. I'm saying the whole thing has been done badly so far. I'm not saying she individually stole all the money, I'm saying in the name of the party she went ahead with it when it's something that should have been decided between them. And yes MOU have backed her up. Who are made up of pretty much her faction in this whole thing right? Wasn't her faction being in control of the finances part of an attempt to have the power in the party spread around? It clearly isn't working out and certain things should absolutely be agreed on as a whole, while power being allocated in a better way

A lot of what you've just said here, about Corbyn and so on, just further illustrates my point. The party is in complete disarray. Why should people be giving away their money to this, as it is now? The criticism isn't based in just there being disagreements. It's clearly far more than just disagreements and there's not a single good thing they've done in their existence. to make the bad look less bad. Yes it's early days but your point about the mainstream media being against us is true. So they should be even more vigilant and tightly coordinated so that the terrible press can be avoided as much as possible. As I've said already, all of what they're "disagreeing" on should have been discussed and finalised long ago. I'm not wanting said "disagreements" to be silenced either, I'm asking for them to be sorted out. I've made that clear. Neither am I exaggerating this. It's you who's seemingly trying to make out none of this is a big deal and is a very normal thing and we shouldn't really be bothered because... our enemies do it?

Novara aren't trying to cause things to go badly with this. You do realise they're the biggest actually left wing/far left media outlet in the UK right? And that they don't have ads or even any restricted content, all their funding comes from reader donations? I disagree with them sometimes, particularly some stuff Bastani and Walker have come out with, but they're not wrong to criticise here. They want this party to work and they're calling for unity and for opportunity, time and money not to wasted on easily avoidable, embarrassing things like this. I'm not expecting you to but if you want you can listen to their podcasts on what's happening with Your Party. You'll see it's very much the case they want this to do well

Your last paragraph I'm not sure exactly how to respond? I guess just how in any way are Your Party proving to us that they're doing well working towards building a party that can handle disagreements? The rest is confusing to me, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. A lot of what you've written as a whole seems like you aren't actually reading what I'm saying

Why bring Johnson and Trump into it? Novara obviously aren't supportive of them

And yeah ostensibly the party is for the members and their control but let's be real, this isn't how it's gone so far. Sultana did this without consensus and took thousands upon thousands of peoples money, they got over £1m in one day. What should have been a huge opportunity to get momentum going and leave behind the shitshow that happened around Your Party being announced in the beginning just turned into an even bigger shitshow

Huge amounts of people feel betrayed by this and rightly so. All those people being lied to and having their money taken, some paying over £50 towards it. And now it's opened the party up to fraud investigations and so on. Not saying the fault is solely with Sultana by the way, just she seems to be most responsible

Your argument is almost entirely whataboutisms. We can't be doing what most people do and just deny wrong that our own side does and deflect with examples of the other side doing the same thing. It doesn't help anything and means we don't learn from mistakes. All of this stuff around membership, fees and so on should have been hashed out so long ago at this point between them, ideally before they even announced the party. It's very basic stuff

We desperately need a united antifascist popular front with as many non-fascists in it as possible. We don't have time to fuck about with stuff like this. I'm not usually one who bangs on about left unity that much but it absolutely needs to happen now. I'm hoping this is the last of the big fuckups and we can get on with stopping our rapid descent into fascism

Wow fair enough, I've heard so many do it. Obviously I don't know your background but I think maybe it's because I grew up and have spent a fair bit of my adult life in the northern countryside? The non-White English demographic round my home region is very low. And I've never met a Spaniard or Latin person around there either, I'm pretty sure. Just a theory, anyways

I should make clear by the way that I didn't think every person from the UK does this. I realise it might have come across that way now

Haha thanks I appreciate your kind words. I'm not one for dying on hills, I'll save myself the later shame and anxiety setting in I get from being belligerent

Closer to "Vegeta", if that makes sense. Just like how so many people say tortilla without proper pronunciation on the l's

Ok fair enough, I take back my comment and I'm sorry for it. I was talking more from a "getting each ingredient individually is cheaper and then you can make more later" perspective, rather than a "you'd get way more for your one meal" perspective. But I understand what you mean and I see I was wrong to tar everyone with the same brush. Which isn't something you should do ever

As someone who grew up in a family that would just buy something like this because they don't consider they can just get everything cheaper otherwise, and pronounces so many Spanish words cringely wrong and refuses to change when corrected, I guess all I could see was a load of people just like them lol

Yeah I agree. Even if her claims of her dealing with misogyny and so on - which could be true, but can't say for sure yet - are true that doesn't excuse doing these authoritarian things that just reek of egotism and will obviously make the party look really bad

Maybe being called the "AOC of the UK" by many and all the attention she's received (unfairly over other left wing women of colour MPs) for a long while now has got to her head. I'd imagine she's wanting to take the position of the sort of figurehead of leftist electoral politics after Corbyn finally retires from all this too. Or dies, he seems like the sort who'd keep going til he physically couldn't anymore. I thought she was great before but this whole saga is very revealing. Thankfully it doesn't look like she's a "left wing social conservative" or whatever and a Russian asset like Wagenknecht. Stranger things have happened though

And you know anyone like this isn't pronouncing fajita correctly. I mean anyone buying these any of these "kits" in the first place isn't, let's be real