krakenfury

Yeah no shit, they fucking ass. I still voted for Harris with puke in my mouth, though. For me to back another Dem for president in the future, it needs to be someone I want to vote for. Otherwise, I'm voting for whatever candidate aligns most closely with my values.

I think we agree on the broad points, I just don't think that the Harris campaign position on genocide was a big enough factor to swing the election either way. I believe all of their policy positions were calculated to protect party funding streams as much or more than winning the election.

The problems with Dems are so systemic, that it reaches far beyond that single campaign. How many congressional seats did they also lose? How many state legislatures are Republican super majority?

I'm not very clever on solutions, but involvement in local politics is where it starts. This is where I honestly think we are truly well fucked, though. People are too fucking busy and scraping by to get involved. Even though the people doing it for the Democrats are super old and burned out in most cases, they want young people to get more involved and will appoint them to positions and run them for councils and shit.

That's what the right did. Grass roots shit, school boards, party committee headquarters, etc. I just assume someone else who is smarter, more qualified, and motivated is taking care of that shit, but that's probably not the case.

I don't think it's as unilateral across the party, but the leadership certainly have let Israel and AIPAC too far up their ass. For politics it's all just money imo.

Also, a lot of people do not care, especially older folks who remember Israel being scrappy in the 60s, or just care about how to pay for their health care or mortgage. Gaza and West Bank genocide is really important to the internet, but a lot of people in their 40s and up are not online much.

It's the cynicism that is bred by and fuels the political furnace. Cynicism can be understood and respected by your opposition.

Those decades have been spent working to keep progressive and leftist voices out of their party, especially ones that threaten their scaffolding of seniority and stability. They have actively prevented the DNC from what the right pulled off with the Tea Party Movement by tightening the reigns on primaries, disenfranchising and ignoring grassroots movements showing good faith, selling out to corporate lobbies, keeping fresh ideas out of policy by manipulating committee appointments, and so much more.

And are they sorry at all when their machinations play into the hands of fascists? No, they actually seem fucking proud of it.

I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate. Let me be clear, there is genocide happening as part of ethnic cleansing for the entire promised land of Israel. I expect Israel to attempt to expand into Syria next, all the way up the coast to Turkey.

And yeah, USA will sell arms to whomever has the money to buy them, no matter who controls what branch of government.

Ok I am making assumptions about internal polling done by the DNC or the Harris campaign, but Pew and Gallup published poll data before the election.

It just wasn't an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.

They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a "you win this time" holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.

There's absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That's the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of "not being Trump".

I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. In the general elections, I voted for Harris and Clinton after voting against them in primaries. The thing about voting and elections is that there are hundreds of variables involved, and focusing on one to pin blame on a sliver of the electorate doesn't seem like thoughtful analysis or productive to an oppositional cause.

You can point to turnouts and results from specific counties until your finger dries up and falls off, but that only highlights a neglect regarding myriad other factors that contribute to results. My opinion is that the Harris campaign ran the race the way they thought best and they lost. They lost. Sure, in sense we all lost, but they were the ones driving the bus.

Currently my situation with VI

Do you think she believes her own bullshit? I'm honestly not sure. This claim is so insane, but all of MAGA seem to have a vested interest that Trump is a Christian prophet or messiah.

Any FF if you set it down for a month or two.

tf? you are the one using this to aire a political grievance.

What makes Wikipedia unreliable is also what makes it useful, so they have to strike the balance somewhere. As you point out, it's broadly rejected as source reference itself, so I don't agree that Wikipedia is "controversial" as much as a known quantity.

The editing process is under constant review and is updated to address problems, while adhering to the design principles of the effort. It's not as if they are ignoring the concerns you share. In fact, they hire people explicitly to think about and address these issues.