mwguy

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[–] mwguy 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's ironic there's a commentary right above you arguing that Israel could get Peace by simply offering a two-state solution we're both States exist.

At this point if Israel goes away it be genocide. There's whole generations of people that were born and raised in Israel. There's really nowhere for those people to flee to where they'd be safe other than maybe the US.

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago

You know, Israel could single handedly dismantle Hamas non violently by accepting a two state solution where the two sides work together for mutual benefit.

That's news to Hamas.

[–] mwguy 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Honestly, at this point there aren't any other options. Because the last major conflict in the region was 5 years ago in 2018, there was a real feeling around the world that Hamas/Gaza had "turned a corner" and was open to living in peace with its neighbors. That's why you had seen rising calls from the West, even the US, calling for a freeze on new settlements in the West Bank. And there was a real hope that maybe covid had "reset" the expectations of both sides in the same way that the end of the Cold War seemingly had.

But it looks like Hamas had no intention of that. Instead they unleashed an attack and had five years of rocket build up behind it instead of the normal two. At this point I don't know how many more times we need to Hamas the show that it's uninterested and even the ideal concept of peace. Even Hezbollah, in southern Lebanon, a fellow terrorist organization; seems to have the ability to respect a border with Israel. So at this point yes tearing him off down even with the understanding that a new terrorist like organization might take its place is preferable to the status quo. Because there is a reasonable chance that even a new terrorist organization could respect a border, and not attack its neighbors. And honestly if a Taliban-esque group ends up taking over it probably be a better outcome for the day-to-day of Gazans. That's f***** up as that is.

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago

Would more likely make them willing to commit actual genocide.

[–] mwguy 2 points 2 years ago

They don't. They're working.

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Talk to their military backers in Iran. Iran has them, they choose not to give them.

Additionally, you know that Hamas would intentionally hit civilian targets in Israel with guided munitions right?

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Thousands more would die in the next war for hoatages if they're allowed to be viable. Long term, peace on the '67 borders is the only way to minimize total casualties.

Hamas has proven over the last 20 years that it will continue to attack Israel no matter what. It's proven that it doesn't care about the lives of Palestinians.

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The implication being that the only people firing unguided munitions in Gaza is Hamas.

Iron Dome isn't an AA system, it's not SAM. It's not going to stop airstrikes. It stops unguided munitions, and it does so after the munitions have reached their apex.

[–] mwguy 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The iron dome doesn't work fast enough to take out Hamas's failed rockets safely.

[–] mwguy 3 points 2 years ago (12 children)

No, but the did kill a lot of them intentionally and have stated their goal is to do so again and again until all the Jews are dead.

[–] mwguy -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The working class doesn't go to rallies.

[–] mwguy 7 points 2 years ago (20 children)

I posted this article even though I nominally support what Israel is doing here. This war has a legitimate human cost and there's no reason to belive that reasonable people will never view that cost as too high.

I think the story painted here shows both the horrid cost on civilian life that these bombings have and the extensive efforts to avoid civilian casualties that the IDF takes.

Short of an Jeff Bezos takeover of Gaza to turn it into the world's biggest Amazon warehouse, I literally don't know what could possibly solve the situation. It's clear from the cheering crowds praising raped corpses that there's too much hatred to reasonably integrate Gaza into greater Israel. And it's clear from the massive terror the Muslim Brotherhood caused in Egypt, that they could never integrate into an Egyptian society . And is clear from the 4-6x Marshall Plan per person they've received in aid that aid to Gaza is a black hole that will never lead to a thriving society. After 2004 I remember this optimism and a belief that this Israel/Palestine thing was really back on pace for a 2 state solution. And now I just don't see it.

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