mwguy

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[–] mwguy 2 points 2 years ago

AFAIK these things aren't entering through the blockade anyway.

Not right now, but they were largely being let in after inspection before. A few years ago Hamas started policing internal terrorists that would independently launch rockets at Israel. In exchange Israel loosened the rules to allow more goods in quicker through the blockade. At the time it was seen as a sign that maybe Moderates had gained power in Hamas and peace could be possible.

[–] mwguy -3 points 2 years ago

Not because of Israel, because of blind support of Hamas from the West and Arab governments.

[–] mwguy -1 points 2 years ago (50 children)

Not one that remains objective over time. In 1820 Atheism, and Homosexuality would be considered harmful; in 1920 Racial equality would have been considered harmful, as would Unionization. Imagine the things we consider harmful today that our descendants in 2120 will consider us barbaric for.

[–] mwguy 8 points 2 years ago

Except that Oslo accord that they walked out on, and that fact that this is happening in the Gaza strip, a section of Palestinian controlled land with the 1967 borders, a foreign and maritime border and had all Jewish residents (including those that predated the 1948 beginning of hostilities) evicted, often an gunpoint and has had autonomy for nearly two decades now right? Besides that option.

[–] mwguy 7 points 2 years ago

It was a blockade looking for components that could be used to make rockets. Goods could (and did) come through after inspection.

[–] mwguy 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Gaza, they did in the mid 2000s. They even evicted all Jewish settlers and settlements, some at gunpoint; in an effort to secure peace.

[–] mwguy 2 points 2 years ago (52 children)

However it's perfectly legitimate to censor harmful ideas,

What is an isn't a harmful idea changes drastically between generations. This would have been used to censor information about homosexuality before 1995 or so. "Harmful" as modernly defined is a subjective standard.

[–] mwguy 0 points 2 years ago

Ya 75 years ago shit went down. Then they fought for 20 years and 50 years ago cease fire lines were drawn and peace lines followed. 2-3 generations have happened since the conflict ended. They're not going anywhere on either side.

Now you have one side literally enslaving and raping civilians from the other side while demanding genocide and another side that has trouble figuring out how to respond to rockets fired from hospitals and schools.

No modern country isn't built on Genocide. Heck some of my ancestors were only where they were because of Jackson and the trail of tears. But let's be clear, everybody would condem me if I advocated for a genocide in Georgia so my surviving kinfolk could reclaim their homeland. And the same principle exists in Palestine.

[–] mwguy 0 points 2 years ago

It's because the West, specifically the US, was pushing for a peace deal. Clinton with the Oslo Accords and Bush with Gaza. The Cold War was over and we wanted to stop spending money in the Middle East. That's why we bought the support of the Saudis with Desert Storm, that's why we woo'ed Egypt and Jordan with sweetheart military supply deals. That's why we continue to toss money at Lebanon in foreign aid.

The terrorism that followed convinced the American body-politic that Palestine couldn't be negotiated with and public support for Israel has remained aajority opinion in the US ever since.

[–] mwguy -4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Israeli can't have closed all the borders, they have an international border with Egypt. And the Gaza deal was orchestrated by Israel's leftwing political coalition to prove that a deal based around the 1967 borders and political autonomy for Palestinians could lead to lasting peace. Since the Second Infintada, Israel has had a painful reminder that no amount of concessions can secure peace.

[–] mwguy -3 points 2 years ago

By brain dead you mean factual. Israeli forcibly removed every last settler, some at gunpoint, from Gaza in the mid 2000s.

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