psivchaz

Yeah but have you seen the state of things? One man's absurdist joke is apparently another man's deeply held belief right now.

It sounds like Hollywood tech lingo. Like when you're watching a movie or a TV show and the designated techy character starts just saying computer words that make no actual sense in the real world, but I guess in CSI: Idiottown the hard drives have severe overheating issues.

The best selling car in America last I checked was the Ford F-150, which costs slightly more than a Tesla Model 3. By your math, people who can afford a car payment are rich?

What I'm trying to get you to understand is that the people you started this thread wishing harm to are mostly not millionaires, they're people who are one layoff or one medical bill away from the abyss, just like most people in America. Your hate for Musk makes perfect sense, and he HAS been obviously an asshole for a long time, and the hero worship he got early on IS and always was stupid as hell. But people catching strays in this fight just because they bought a car doesn't make any sense.

If you're going to run everyone through a purity test based on who gets their money, it only makes sense that you should hate on every truck owner too for buying more gas than they need, hate on every Facebook user for making Zuckerberg rich, hate on every person who shops at Walmart for helping destroy retail. Basically, if your test of a good person is "have they ever spent money that went to a billionaire who's destroying the world" then you haven't got an ally in the world.

Nah, quite the opposite. My point is that we have to live in the society we're in. You want to label one billionaire asshole as worse than the others just so you can feel smugly superior to people who are, for the most part, more leftist than the average and in the same working class bucket you presumably are. It doesn't help anyone.

Shit on Musk, shit on Tesla. They deserve it. Don't shit on the people who should be your allies. It's counter productive.

So you've never done business with a company who's CEO is an asshole? Never bought gas, used Windows, googled something, gotten on Facebook?

I knew full well this guy was an asshole. So is pretty much every CEO in America. You can't opt out, you can only choose which asshole you want to do business with. The holier-than-thou bullshit because Musk is the asshole of the day helps no one. If you buy oil at all, you're funding an industry that has lobbied governments around the world to buy more oil for literal generations, all while knowing the harm it was causing and the people it was killing and would kill.

It's cool that you've picked the Nazi you hate over the ones that had the good sense to stay home, but it's childish at best to think that makes you a better person.

I don't understand why you think it's either/or? I didn't say, "Starbucks is solely to blame" or anything of the sort. It's incredibly stupid that living requires an employer, and that's something we need to fix, but as long as it does they should act and be treated like they have the ethical responsibility they've been given.

Maybe you should stop giving people free passes for psychopathy just because it's within the law.

To the company it is "an adjustment." To those people, it can be a devastating loss of healthcare, of the money they use to pay for food and shelter, and even an identity crisis. Starbucks has all sorts of positions, ranging from seasonal part time employees, to store management that gets paid pretty well, to corporate employees that presumed they were in 20y career trajectories. Every single one of them deserves better than losing their job just to pay for a big bonus for one guy.

It's not about whether they are allowed or not. It's that actions should have consequences but the modern corporate structure has so divorced leadership from the consequence of their actions that this is normal. Let me rephrase: Hurting people to pump your personal wealth is not just normal, it's expected. That's sick.

I disagree. He's done enough that calling him a Nazi feels accurate to me. Or at least enough of a Nazi sympathizer that I totally support not doing business with him.

What I get frustrated by is justifying hurting the people that have his cars. Having a Tesla does not make one a Nazi sympathizer. You could maybe make the case that buying one today might, but even then I don't think it's justified attacking people for having a car.

If you want to be an extremist about it, hurt the dealerships and the company. Don't go after people who are almost certainly not that different from you. The people keying cars just want to feel smugly superior to someone and feel morally justified for being an asshole, they don't want to make anything better for anyone. If that's how you act, you're just a fascist with a slightly different ideology.

It's not locked in such a way that only Tesla can do it, but it can be hard to find places that will service them. Especially smaller shops just don't want to go through the hassle of figuring it out, and figuring out how to order parts and such, at least where I live.

Basically, it is going to depend on the shops near you and while Tesla doesn't seem to actively prevent it I think they make it enough of a hassle for other shops that it may be true in some places that you can only rely on them for repairs.

It's easier to shop for protocols and standards instead of brands. If you get a Zigbee dongle from Sonoff or SMLight and set it up with Home Assistant, 99% of devices marketed as Zigbee will work and you'll know for a fact they don't have Internet access and can't really do anything that would be bad for your network security because that's just not how the Zigbee standard works. This is where I would recommend starting.

If you plan on getting a lot of things, or think you might eventually, I would recommend getting both Zigbee and Zwave. There's also Thread now but I don't have much experience there yet. These are the standards that smart devices can use, with low power, to communicate without needing direct wifi access or anything. Each has their drawbacks in terms of how many devices you can use and their range. Again, this recommendation is only if you plan on going big at some point, but if you get zwave devices where you can, and focus on Zigbee for things like lighting, you'll be able to blend the standards together and have less chance of running into interference or device limit problems. But here I'm talking about when you get over around 50 devices, if you don't plan on doing that then it's not really a concern.

When it comes to research, I would recommend reserving research time for the devices that have to be wifi. If you want cameras, for example, you'll want to make sure you pick good ones that can be blocked from external access and properly secured. If you want to control a garage door or an appliance or something big like that, there's much easier and cheaper ways than getting a smart appliance.

Smart home stuff is unfairly maligned. You just need a few basic rules and some hobby time.

• Don't buy wifi stuff.
• If it needs its own dedicated app, don't buy it.
• Don't buy smart appliances. If you want to smart up something expensive, get a cheap smart outlet or a cheap sensor that does the job.
• Use an open source platform like Home Assistant, not Google or Alexa or whatever.
• When you find something it can't do that you want it to do, write some Python code and make it open source. You'll get so much love from the community for the simplest things. Also the occasional person that angrily wants to know why your free thing doesn't support his hyper specific use case but you can safely ignore that.

There's a LOT of people that don't understand inflation at all. They think something along the lines of, "I worked myself through college making $5/hr and it was hard and I didn't get to buy all the things I wanted but it was fine. These lazy entitled people want several times that much for the same work?!"

So it's not just basic math but basic economics and a basic understanding of reality that are sorely lacking.