trevor

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[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago

I don't think it's inherently anti-justice. But maybe we can pivot to something more constructive than just disagreeing about it: if you have an alternative to utilitarian-adjacent ethics, I'd love to hear you out. I might still disagree, but I want to know if there's a better way to form my ethical positions.

At the end of the day, we're only human, and we should be doing the best that we can to be ethical, and if there's something better than what I'm currently doing, I want to know about it.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago

For me, this is where utilitarianism falls apart. It makes the observer the person who gets to decide what "the best lives possible" means.

Every ethical framework requires making some affirmative presumption to begin with. The is-ought gap cannot be closed. Many ethical frameworks begin with less tangible things, like a belief in a deity, which can also lead to either heinous or benevolent outcomes.

How can the outside observer have the authority to make this decision?

When talking about humans, consider when people defend colonialism by saying they brought "civilization" and modern medicine, comforts, etc. to people who did not live the way the colonizers did. I'm not saying that non-colonized people live in some utopia, but the people who thought they were doing good didn't give a single fuck about what the colonized people wanted, disregarded all their knowledge and experience and forced their ways on them. Even if we take lessons learned from that and try and be more open minded about listening to people before making decisions about them (my skin is crawling as I type this omg) we don't know what we don't know and it makes no sense to apply this framework to decision making impacting others.

I don't disagree with any of this. And this is why I also strive to do whatever I can to accomplish the goal that I care about -- everyone having the best lives possible -- to do whatever I think results in other having the greatest degree of autonomy. It's because I believe that no one knows what would result in a better life for themselves than themselves. I will always defer toward what empowers them to have as much autonomy as possible, provided they aren't harming others (like carnism, colonialism, capitalism, ethno-supremacy, etc. do).

Now consider non-human animals and how we are even less effective at communicating with them...

Yeah. I think there's an interesting conversation to be had about how one can cause the least harm and be most helpful to someone that we can't effectively communicate with. I don't have a good answer for this, so I just want to make sure their basic needs are met (or in the case of non-human animals, not actively sabotaging them) so that they can try to do whatever is best for them.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (8 children)

If you think that you can't arrive at heinous positions with virtue ethics or other non-utilitarian ethical systems, you're mistaken. Utilitarianism and other ethical frameworks have many unique and varied forms, and trying to denounce those broad categories entirely will get you nowhere.

You asked if anyone disagreed with you denouncing it, so I chimed in, but if there's "no room for that", then I'm not interested in hashing it out because there would be no point if you've already made up your mind.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

I'm a leftist and a vegan because I lean utilitarian, not in spite of it, so I disagree. I want as many sentient beings to have the best lives possible and I act in accordance with that because I want that outcome. To me, those are much more solid axioms to have than any other ethical framework.

However, if you arrived at veganism and leftism through some other ethical system, I have zero interest in denouncing how you got there, and think there should be space for that.

That said, you can also use virtue ethics to justify heinous actions and beliefs too, but I think it's better to be targeted in criticizing the specifics of their actions and beliefs over denouncing utilitarianism or virtue ethics as a whole. If you want to levy specific criticisms about how someone acts, and you think it's rooted in utilitarianism, that can be useful, but denouncing an entire ethical framework when its application can have widely varying outcomes isn't good because that would throw out every ethical framework.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago

What is the opposite of thoughts and prayers? Apathy and ill will?

Thoughts and prayers. It has the exact same effect as apathy and ill will.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Other than the example uses provided in the article, does anyone have any interesting ideas for how this could be used? The RUST_LOG=debug one looks like it'll be particularly useful as an easy way to see what network requests a given binary might be making.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

They mean light mode. I think "flashbang mode" is pretty apt though.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The same could be said about iOS and Android. We just gotta help people when we can.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The same could be said about Windows. It's a bad idea for people to use Windows without installing it themselves because they are dependent on MS and the OEM that installed it for them.

Better that they'd be dependent on someone that cares about them than soulless corps that just want to exploit them.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. For every person out there that says "but muh dogshit software that hates me doesn't work on Linux!", they should just use macOS. It's compatible with a ton of proprietary and abusive software (Adobe, DAWs, etc.), and you at least get an OS that works.

I don't know how people can stand using Windows. I use a 50-50 split of macOS and Linux, and it's nice to not have to fight my computer to do even the most trivial of things.

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My issue with snaps is also the power that Canonical has to fuck you over one day, because of the centralization that you mentioned, but also that their shitty fucking packaging format sucks ass and breaks everything but the most basic of apps. I've wasted hours trying to help people with their broken applications that were hijacked when they typed apt install whatever and "whatever" was actually a fucking broken snap package.

Flatpaks and AppImages actually do the fucking things they're supposed to. Snaps don't, and Canonical is pulling a Microsoft by hijacking your package manager.

Also, Snap sandboxing only works with AppArmor, so if you were hoping that all the breakage was worthwhile because you get sandboxing, you don't if you're on anything but a handful of distros 🙂

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