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Bears WRs are consistently getting open, just never getting thrown to. When VJJ is benched drops are minimal, and between Kmet, Moore, and Mooney the bears have plenty of receiving threats. They need to build the trenches and unless Fields starts balling out when he comes back they need a QB. I know MHJ is a fantastic player and fun to watch, but he is not the player the bears need.

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I’ve seen some people on here make some claims that the QB situation here is hopeless when it comes to Williams or Maye. That we’ll never be able to draft and develop a QB. I also see the other side where people say the draft is a complete gamble, and no one really knows if someone’s game will translate to the NFL. I also saw someone as the honest question:

“Do the Bears fail at drafting and developing QB's more than the rest of the league?”

I’m a lifelong sports fan, but a relatively new Bear’s fan (I have my reasons for recently becoming a Bear’s fan… not the point of the post). I didn’t know the answer to the question, so thought I’d do a bit of digging into draft data and share.

A couple caveats before I jump into it:

  1. I’ve only included data since the 1990 draft. I had to draw the line somewhere, so I picked the start of a decade that I figured would be relevant to most of the sub.
  2. Pure data lacks context, and context is important. Not all drafts are equal and not all teams enter drafts with the same priorities. Trades happen. FA happens. The numbers represent imperfect humans who have been subjectively scouted and drafted by other imperfect humans.

Lastly... to answer the question, we really need to look at it as two parts.

  1. How much draft capital has each team allocated to finding their QB?
  2. How successful has each team been at turning that draft capital into productive NFL QB's?

This post looks only at part 1 because it can be objectively determined with data, for the most part.

Part 2 is infinitely harder to evaluate because a lot of it is subjective and up for debate. That's also what makes it way more fun. It's what fuels lively discussions over beers between friends and rivals. It's what separates great front offices and coaching staffs from raw analytics and predictions. It's the annual narratives of draft busts, as well as those of Mr. Irrelevant and TB12, picked at 199. It's the human side of the game that I'm hoping gets fleshed out in the comments.

Now, for some numbers (data courtesy of drafthistory.com):

  • # of QB’s drafted in the 1st round (89 total):
    • 5 – CLE, WAS
    • 4 – CHI, CIN, DEN, IND, JAX, NYJ, TEN
    • 3 – ARZ, BAL, BUF, CAR, DET, HOU, LAC, MIN, SF, TB
    • 2 – ATL, GB, LAR, LV, MIA, NE, NYG, PHI, PIT, SEA
    • 1 – KC
    • 0 – DAL, NO
  • # of QB’s drafted top 15 (66 total):
    • 4 – CIN, IND, JAX, TEN
    • 3 – ARZ, CAR, CHI, DET, HOU, LAC, NYJ, WAS
    • 2 – ATL, CLE, LAR, MIA, MIN, NE, NYG, PHI, SF, TB
    • 1 – BUF, DEN, KC, LV, PIT, SEA
    • 0 – BAL, DAL, GB, NO
  • # of QB’s drafted top 11, AKA Justin Field’s cutoff (61 total):
    • 4 – CIN, IND, JAX, TEN
    • 3 – ARZ, CAR, DET, LAC, NYJ
    • 2 – ATL, CHI, CLE, HOU, LAR, MIA, NYG, PHI, SF, TB, WAS
    • 1 – BUF, DEN, KC, LV, MIN, NE, PIT, SEA
    • 0 – BAL, DAL, GB, NO
  • # of QB’s drafted top 10 (57 total):
    • 4 – CIN, IND, JAX, TEN
    • 3 – ARZ, CAR, DET, LAC, NYJ
    • 2 – ATL, CLE, HOU, LAR, MIA, NYG, PHI, SF, TB, WAS
    • 1 – BUF, CHI, KC, LV, NE, SEA
    • 0 – BAL, DAL, DEN, GB, MIN, NO, PIT
  • # of QB’s drafted top 5 (44 total):
    • 4 – IND
    • 3 – CAR, CIN, NYJ, TEN
    • 2 – ATL, CLE, DET, HOU, JAX, LAC, LAR, PHI, SF, WAS
    • 1 – ARZ, CHI, LV, MIA, NE, NYG, SEA, TB
    • 0 – BAL, BUF, DAL, DEN, GB, KC, MIN, NO, PIT
  • # of times a team has drafted the best available QB in the draft (34 total):
    • 3 – CIN, IND, LAR
    • 2 – ATL, CAR, CLE, JAX, SF, TEN
    • 1 – ARZ, BUF, CHI, DET, HOU, LAC, LV, NE, NYJ, PIT, SEA, TB, WAS
    • 0 – DAL, DEN, GB, KC, MIA, MIN, NO, NYG, PHI
  • # of QB’s drafted 1st overall (21 total):
    • 3 – IND
    • 2 – CAR, CIN, CLE, LAR
    • 1 – ARZ, ATL, DET, HOU, JAX, LAC, LV, NE, SF, TB
    • 0 – BAL, BUF, CHI, DAL, DEN, GB, KC, MIA, MIN, NO, NYG, NYJ, PHI, PIT, SEA, TEN, WAS

Fun facts:

  • QB’s taken at 11th since 1990: Daunte Culpepper (MN, 1999), Ben Roethlisberger (PIT, 2004), Jay Cutler (DEN, 2006), Justin Fields (CHI, 2021)
  • QB has not been selected with the 9th pick since 1990.
  • Most common first name of drafted QB’s since 1990: Matt (11), Mike (9), Jeff (8), John (8), Josh (8), Ryan (7).

I didn't want to include full lists for everything, but I did include photos of the lists of the JF1 cutoff, as well as top 5 1990, sorted by team.

I think the data is interesting... It's clear that some teams have been very lucky, and hit on their only real shot at drafting a franchise QB in the last 34 years (KC with Mahomes, BUF with Allen). Others needed to try a number of times before succeeding (CIN, JAX). Others haven't really spent high draft capital on QB's at all (DAL, NO), maybe due to philosophy, or maybe due need.

As it pertains to the Bears, it seems like there's some recency bias from Trubisky and Fields. It seems like we've taken an average, or slightly below average number of shots at finding a QB, relative to the rest of the league. Now as far as developing that draft capital... I'll let everyone duke it out in the comments.

I personally like JF1, and would like nothing better than to see him succeed, but would it be all that surprising if he didn't? I don't think so. One only needs to browse the draft records to find many examples of QB's who were drafted higher who have accomplished less. Maybe JF1 will show us what we need to see in the last 7 games, but if he doesn't, can we at least take one more hopeful shot at a top prospect QB before we call it hopeless? That would put is in the top half of the league for high value draft picks spent on a field general.

Now, regardless of what happens behind center, for that individual to success, we need a new coaching staff.

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Why on earth to we not get the Lions game today. Like I love my Bears but I want to watch the picked on little brother beat up on someone today. They are my little brother and only I'm allowed to pick on them.

And besides who in the hell wants to watch the Giants Cowboys game.... like their own fan bases don't even watch this game.

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I've watched some tough Bears games the last 30 years but the last two years have seemed similar to the rest with the exception of the light at the end of the tunnel with draft picks.

I understand the blue chip argument and I think getting some injured players back and adding Montez Sweat is slowly creating the semblance of a team with a future especially given the draft capital.

The more I see the Patriots, Cardinals, Panthers, Colts, Giants, and Broncos play the more I think the Bears have a better product on the field and a significantly brighter future.

I also think the Steelers will start to unravel with their unwatchable offense.

I live in Packer country and these people are already smashing the panic button. I think there is more murkiness about their current direction than what Poles is doing.

As much as this sub wants a winner, I think ending the season with 6 wins, significant cap space, and a boatload of picks will attract a better coach this cycle.

Taking anyone in the top ten with their two picks will inject a lot of talent quickly, especially if they are non QB picks.

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I'm feeling kinda nervous about our chances at the first overall pick, even Carolina's offense didn't look that pathetic, and they have a much easier schedule than the Patriots.

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We all honestly might have to find a different team if that actually happened.

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I believe Fields may not be the answer, but it’s clear as day that the kid is quite an athlete. He seems to be a teachable, mendable player that could easily excel at his postion if given a proper coaching staff. Eberflus and Getsy may very well have ruined the kid, but lets see what happens these last few weeks.

The staff is clear as day the biggest farce on this team (besides Velus Jones Jr). We have had two coaches fired in the middle of the season due to some sort of hush-hush reason along with having a bumbling idiot of a head coach in Eberfuls as proven by recent interviews (need I remind you of HITS?). Getsy hasn’t proven to be any wiser, with his ridiculous screen calls, run plays on 2nd and long, and negligent attitude by not playing to the QB’s overall strengths. Poles has done an OK job finding certain players, and the Carolina trade was an absolute fleece. But his Claypool trade for a second rounder, along with his clear lack of perceiving coaching talent, makes me question if he should stick around or kick rocks with the coaching staff.

It’s not a flex in the slightest to beat teams like Vegas or Carolina, but beating them with a rookie D2 backup proves that, despite what many people say, we dont have anywhere near that bad of a roster. I do think this roster has pieces that we can build upon rather quickly and see decent results if we had the proper staff. We’ll see what happens…but I’m cautious to have hope, because the problem may very well stem from ownership. Hopefully, I’m not talking to a brick wall here, lmao.

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Btw- this is NOT a keep flus post. I just think the defence gets a lot of blame because of the stigma of last year sticking to it. Some of which is misdirected.

Since Flus has been calling plays in week 2, the DEFENCE has given up

20 points vs tampa (-7 from pick 6)

41 points vs chiefs (easily could have been more tbf)

24 points vs broncos (-7 fumble 6)

20 commanders

Vikings 12 (-7 fumble 6)

Raiders 13

Chargers 30

Saints 24

Panthers 6 (-7 punt return TD)

= 21.11 defensive points allowed per game.

Do I like soft zones? No. Is this skewed by getting to play some garbage teams and kc taking mercy? A little. Is the defence as bad as it looks? No. Giving up the underneath routes for free gets you picked apart by good qbs, but pressure should change that, and even still, the defence is serviceable. It looks bad with missed tackles, easy completions, and no pressure, but it has been keeping the offence in games the offence can't finish.

This defence gets blamed a lot. Situationally, doesn't pass the eye test, but it probably isn't as bad as you think when you account for scores the offence spotted them. I also think the green bay game left a bad impression, but alan williams isn't calling plays anymore after he made peanut cry.

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In response to the MHJ thread. QB > WR.

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I keep hearing drafting a qb(williams, maye) or mhj with our first pick and an Ol with our second pick but im not seeing any o-lineman being hyped on this sub constantly. My question is whos that guy?

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JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix, Jalen Daniels, Bo Nix as 1b caliber NFL Draft QB’s who’s your favorite and why?

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I hope Justin balls out for the next seven games, but if he doesn't.

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I just got tickets in section 140 for the 10th and I'm planning on bringing my daughter, she's only 7 and it'll just be me and her. Has anyone had experience bringing young kids to games? Is there anything I should prepare to bring for her while we're there? I'm flying in from SoCal, and I haven't been back home for a couple years, and haven't been to a Bears game in even longer.

My biggest worry is she'll be bored by about hour 2 and want to leave lol. My current plan includes bringing Ear Muffs so it's not super loud and keeps her ears warm, hand warmers, and a blanket(?). Considering I haven't been to Soldier Field as an adult, is it possible to bring in (or sneak in) snacks of any kind for her? And is there anything I should worry about safety-wise for her?

Also curious if there's any times or places we could be there to possibly let her see some players before/after the game. I appreciate any help!

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He now has 4 games with 3+ TDs. He sits at the top of the all-time OSU WR list with 100+ yard receiving games with 14. This kid is gonna be an all-time great. The odds of us getting 1 or 2 from Carolina are very high right now, so I say if we’re at 1, forget Caleb, trade down to whoever has 2, get their first in 2025 and take MHJr. with no hesitation. I really hope Fields shows something these last 7 games so we can just roll with him next year. I still think he can be great with a good coach.

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He’s a really dynamic play maker! I’ve seen a fair amount of mock drafts/mock draft simulators having him floating between the 2nd/4th rounds. I know as of now we don’t have a 2nd round pick and these mocks are wildly inaccurate this time of year. However, If we go QB/OL/BPA in the 1st and don’t take a WR I’d love for us to draft him in this range! Thoughts?🐻🔽

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Yes it’s a stupid question.

Currently ranked (33 games played):

  • 20th in games played as QB
  • 18th in passing yards
  • 12th in passing touchdowns
  • 20th most attempts
  • 22nd most INTs
  • 23rd most wins
  • 23rd in rushing yards (2nd QB)
  • 32nd in rushing touchdowns (6th QB)

Rank within Top 30 in attempts:

  • 4th highest QB rating
  • 5th highest completion percentage
  • 8th highest TD%
  • 9th highest yards per attempt
  • 12th highest yards per game
  • 13th lowest INT%
  • 15th highest yards per completion
  • 29th lowest sack percentage

Estimated by year’s end (assumes no “balling out”):

  • 18th in games played as QB
  • 10th in passing yards
  • 10th in passing touchdowns
  • 20th most INTs
  • 20th most wins
  • 18th in rushing yards (2nd QB)
  • 27th in rushing touchdowns (4th QB)

The original intent was a hot take to say he is already a Top 10 Bears QB. The rate stats kinda confirm and by year’s end so will the counting stats but now I’m sad. 🐻⬇️

All stats from Pro Football Reference

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I think the Bears are winning 2-3 more games, so they will not have the #1 puck. I think Carolina can also win 2-3 more games. Let's day the Bears end up at #3 overall behind Arizona and the Giants with Carolinas pick. Caleb and Drake Maye are going 1 and 2. What do you think the Bears should do? Take MHJ? Trade out? Take Pinnex or other QB?

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As of now we have the 1st & 5th pick. If that stands, I would be very surprised if Poles or whoever the GM is doesn't pick a QB at 1 which means we can't get MHJr. What are y'alls thoughts on Brock Bowers? The guy is an absolute beast/match up nightmare and is a fantastic consolation prize if we can't get MHJr.

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