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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 42 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I mean, I’m 90% veg for environmental reasons mostly. But every time we share this narrative that the effort needs to be on us while the true culprits are literally upping their consumption is fucking sick. Don’t guilt people for not doing 1% of what is needed while the people/corpos doing the other 99% are pushing this “personal responsibility” narrative and literally created the language to deflect blame. We should be way more upset and spend 20000x the effort shaming and shutting down those organizations.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It doesn't matter if you put 2000x your effort into something if it has no effect. If you spend all your day shaming these corporations on lemmy that won't do anything. So the question should be what actions can make an effect?

Protests don't really do much. Electoral politics, at least here in the u.s. , are completely captured by these corporations and will never truly challenge them. I doubt what just happened in NYC is a valid tactic either. A revolution or even just a general strike is pretty much out of the picture right now.

The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them. The meat industry is burning the Amazon and emitting tons of methane, boycott them and eat less / no meat. The fossil fuel industry is lobbying congress to deny climate change while increasing production and emitting more every year, boycott them and buy less gas by driving less or taking public transit.

In this capitalist hellscape the only real choice we have is of consumption, and choosing what to consume and more importantly what not to consume is the only real way we can effect the system.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them.

Sorry to say this, but these boycotts rarely do anything. If enough people would boycott some company, or business practice to matter only a little bit, then there also would be enough people to effect politics to try to get better regulation in place, via electoralism, direct action of just getting actively involved in politics.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I absolutely agree with you. Meat is something that has a big impact on the climate and this is something that we as the consumers actively can control. If society decides to buy less and instead higher quality meat the demand will go down and therefore the CO2 footprint. However, this is nothing that is possible without the government supporting this change.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

society decides to buy less and instead higher quality meat the demand will go down and therefore the CO2 footprint

this isn't causal

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I may have articulated myself badly. What I mean is the following: If I decide to instead eat e. G. 1kg of low quality meat every week I am responsible (by eating meat) for an amount x of CO2 emissions. If I now switch to only 500g of higher quality meat the amount of CO2 emissions goes down to about 1/2x(I know this isn't exactly true, due to the lost efficiency, but for bigger reductions its absolutely true, that the amount if CO2 you emitted goes down).

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If I decide to instead eat e. G. 1kg of low quality meat every week I am responsible (by eating meat) for an amount x of CO2 emissions.

I don't think that's true. those emissions happen regardless of whether you eat it. they happen regardless of whether you buy it.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Source please.

Your analysis undermines genuine science by disregarding the reduction in demand which reduces the supply and forming a data set with a sample of 1.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

reduction in demand which reduces the supply

this isn't causal

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

it's obvious that the emissions happen before you decide whether to purchase a product. that's how linear time works.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

and this is something that we as the consumers actively can control.

didn't you try that?

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Sure, it's more than just encouraging people to drop meat and dairy. It's also voting for people who will make it financially impossible for those industries to continue.