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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 63 points 6 months ago (3 children)

8 metres of cars??? What is that these days, one ford f150?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago

I exclusively drive strech limos

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago (2 children)

great. but why don't we go double and also take 8m cars off the road?

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 12 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I didn’t eat meat today so apparently I took 8m cars off the road.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago (26 children)

"I want to help save the earth!"

"Great! Eat less meat."

" . . . . No."

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 42 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I mean, I’m 90% veg for environmental reasons mostly. But every time we share this narrative that the effort needs to be on us while the true culprits are literally upping their consumption is fucking sick. Don’t guilt people for not doing 1% of what is needed while the people/corpos doing the other 99% are pushing this “personal responsibility” narrative and literally created the language to deflect blame. We should be way more upset and spend 20000x the effort shaming and shutting down those organizations.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It doesn't matter if you put 2000x your effort into something if it has no effect. If you spend all your day shaming these corporations on lemmy that won't do anything. So the question should be what actions can make an effect?

Protests don't really do much. Electoral politics, at least here in the u.s. , are completely captured by these corporations and will never truly challenge them. I doubt what just happened in NYC is a valid tactic either. A revolution or even just a general strike is pretty much out of the picture right now.

The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them. The meat industry is burning the Amazon and emitting tons of methane, boycott them and eat less / no meat. The fossil fuel industry is lobbying congress to deny climate change while increasing production and emitting more every year, boycott them and buy less gas by driving less or taking public transit.

In this capitalist hellscape the only real choice we have is of consumption, and choosing what to consume and more importantly what not to consume is the only real way we can effect the system.

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[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've seen very few 8 metre cars on the road...

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Visit the US, look for "dualies." 6.5m long trucks and people use them as daily drivers.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 6 months ago

That's too dystopian for my mind to even imagine...

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

That's because I ate less meat, duh.

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[–] ODGreen@slrpnk.net 22 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If eating no meat at all is too hard, from a climate perspective eating no beef will have the biggest impact. Eating no ruminants to be specific, but hardly anyone is eating bison/sheep/goat on the regular.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I went like 90% vegetarian and switched to the meat substitutes. If I can do it, anyone can. I've always had a meat-a-saurus diet until 2-3 years ago.

[–] ODGreen@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've only met one person who couldn't go veg, because they had allergies to everything: soy, legumes, nuts.

There's been a lot of obsession with protein in popular culture when in reality unless you're a bodybuilder you don't need a ton and a veg diet will suffice. And there are tons of vegan athletes.

The point I was making is that there is one step even the laziest can take to have an impact: just stop eating beef. Going full veg is better of course.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Lamb is popular in the UK. Beef is actually behind chicken and pork already.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I eat bison instead of beef, that way I'm a big part of a smaller problem rather than the other way around.

[–] Patrizsche@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hey how about you cut down on private jets and I keep eating my burgers

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah right, eating less meat smells awful lot like "calculate your carbon footprint"

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[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How many cars off the road does a dead executive take?

What about Taylor swift...

I am all about eating less meat for various reasons but this some idiotic thesis.

[–] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why not both?

Are you implying that we should only do good things if they are the most good things in existence? Like, I shouldn't have an electric car because planes exist? Please enlighten me.

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You transition out of meat to save the environment.

I transitioned out of meat because of meat recalls and all the chemicals they sneak in a cow, and was ripping the hardest farts that would clear out a room.

We are not the same.

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[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Its also way better for you.

Legit, I was so warned about eating disorders when I was young, I never learned to just eat light and how fasting is a thing.

Eat some nuts and enjoy some other stuff. Meat shoumd ve cuts, and it should only 2-3 times a week.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I am a fan of context. There were about 29.1 million vehicles on the road in the USA in 2023.

8 million is a lot, and part of the overall solution.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/859950/vehicles-in-operation-by-quarter-united-states/

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The article is just about the u.k. The number would be larger for the u.s. due to both population size, and that the u.s. eats more meat, around 50% more. Although we do drive more per car here as well, so that may effect it as well.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I wish cloned meat was a viable thing. No animal suffering, far less pollution, sticking it to the vegan.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

~~• save the planet~~

~~• save the animals~~

• stick it to the people who thought of all that first

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