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The Window keeps moving for one simple reason.
The GOPs vote in every election. They may hate the candidate but if they've gotten the Party's endorsement they'll vote.
The Left keeps waiting for the perfect candidate to come along...
"Perfect"
The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn't have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
“””””moderate right-wingers”””””, only in this shithole could we call a fascist-lite candidate that. Gods I hate this dump
I didn't think that needed to be added. We all understand where "moderate" right-wing behavior leads..
Personally I’ve seen a few apologists for them on here so felt it needed to add that
That bullshit is why we have Trump.
Abortion? LGBT rights? Legalized Marijuana?
Look at any issue and Harris was farther left than any 1995 Democrat. But she wasn't perfect enough.
Remind me, which leftist leaders did she bring up on stage to promote her candidacy?
Cornell West, or literally 100 Republicans?
Harris' own bullshit is why the Republicans won. She could have done nothing but sit on her hands 'til election day and gotten better results.
The GOP base knows exactly how to move the Overton window: vote in every election and win.
"the Republicans vote in every election" said the foaming Democrat as the Gestapo took them away to the camps.
your country is literally going through a coup and all you can think about is this fetishistic image of saving your country through electoral reform. I'd be laughing if I wasn't so disturbed.
I was at a local protest yesterday. There were probably a few thousand of us in total. As we were marched around, led by police officers who monitored and managed our progress the whole time, I just kept thinking "This many people working together could probably actually do something that gets national attention." We have a Trump Tower in my city that the protest went by, and everyone just ineffectually flipped it off or yelled some dumb shit like "Fuck Donald Trump." I bet if we'd all charged the lobby at once, it'd have broken through to national news, but instead we kept an orderly and maintained peace as we shouted "No Justice, No Peace." It won't surprise you to learn corporate news didn't bother to report on it, since nothing really happened.
I'm getting out of this place, Americans have no goddamn chance. They don't know how to protest, they don't know how to scare their oligarchs anymore. It's no wonder the oligarchs are laughing at us, I'm laughing too.
self-flagellation doesn't help anyone either. to us looking from outside the west it makes you look silly.
nobody is born knowing how to protest. the countries that do it more commonly do it because they put time aside to organize in their local communities.
I'm not sure protesting is worth that much energy anyways. the partisans didn't eliminate Nazis by protesting, they acknowledged that the time for that was long gone.
the impactful shit can't be legally talked about in public. we need more of that.
I'm always open to learning.
Why don't you explain in detail how you personally mustered a large swath of the population to follow you.
Ratchet theory: the GOP keeps pushing us to the right; the Democrats prevent movement to the left.
The left being so obedient to the Democratic Party is part of the problem. If more of them voted Green, some change could actually happen.
Jill Stein doesn't think Putin is so bad.
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-vladimir-putin-war-criminal-1954965
Oh, no! She didn't denounce Putin fast enough! I guess I have to vote for genocide, then...
Let me guess: you're one of those people who squawks about "purity tests", too, huh? And the irony is completely lost on you.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/489505-montana-gop-spent-100k-to-get-green-party-on-the-ballot-report/
The GOP has been using the Green Party to split the Left vote for years.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/nerve-agents-poison-and-window-falls-a-list-of-putins-critics-that-have-been-attacked-or-killed/4623578/
Putin has been linked to political assassinations going back years.
If you need more evidence, I'll send you some more links.
how could that be effective, if the green party didn't push leftist views?
I'll relink the article on vote splitting.
It's amazing to me to talk to people who claim to be political and yet seem to have never actually considered how elections actually work.
https://electionscience.org/education/vote-splitting
this is just spam.
the answer is the green party does push leftist views.
I did a quick check. there's not one Green Party member of Congress as of 2024.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
I never said that the Party didn't have Leftist views; I said that they are taking Left votes from the Dems and helping the GOP win.
no, they are earning votes the Democrats can't.
And exactly what good are those votes doing if the Greens can't win any elections?
The point of running isn't to make nice speeches, it's to get elected and make real changes.
Again, what is the point if you never win?
the prohibition party never won, but they got a constitutional amendment.
the point is building a movement and demonstrating power.
Quick search shows that the Prohibition Party was established in 1868 and Prohibition was enacted in 1919. About 50 years later.
Greens were established in 2001. I guess that means you're willing to wait another 25 years for any substantive change.
Also, it's pretty funny that you can pay attention to the Prohibition Party and ignore the idea of vote splitting.
the fact you need to search indicates you may not be qualified to be having this discussion.
You get funnier and funnier. I literally lol'd that one.
if you don't know about the most successful third party in America that never won an election, you should probably not be the one teaching about third parties
This from the guy who needed 'splitting the vote explained'
You just keep getting funnier and funnier.
btw, uproarious laughter isn't considered a sign of petulance. It means 'sulky'
just because you insisted on linking your favorite think tank doesn't mean anyone needed to see it.
Now who is acting petulant?
correcting your assumptions is generosity, not petulance
Sure, keep telling yourself whatever you need to.
You're a very smart person and a skilled debater; you have made a lot of people rethink their old ideas.
You are talented and well-respected in your community.
Need any more affirmations?
After all the laughter you've given me, I feel like giving something back.
this has nothing to do with what I said
Please answer the question.
I'm pretty sure you can't, but in case someone else stumbles on this I want it shown that you couldn't
don't be petulant
Why do you keep bringing up Putin? I'm not voting for Putin. I don't care what the GOP thinks about the Green Party, either. Why do you find these arguments compelling?
Literally the first thing you mentioned was Putin. And then you get on me for explaining myself.
And if you don't care what the GOP thinks of the Greens means that you have absolutely no idea how elections actually work in the US. I'll give you a link on 'splitting the vote' so you can understand.
https://electionscience.org/education/vote-splitting
more like acting like its not an issue, or someone else will come and fix, checks and balances, basically fall in the same trap as republicans,