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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.

AOC should just make a new party.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, we don't have time for that. We just have to do a tea party on the Democratic party... Which is what she's been doing

They do have to go, but we're keeping the house and the dog

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Tea Party of the Left is what we needed back in the Obama days, better late than never.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

There have always been factions in the main parties. Obama was part of a wave of more progressive Democrats that pulled away from the moderate liberalism of Clinton.

There are also formal sub parties like the Blue Dog Democrats and the New Democrat Coalition, the us news media just doesn't report on them the way European news does for parties.

Even AOC and "the squad" are considered a faction with followers and enemies. The fact that the media is focusing on her and de facto making her the face should be a pretty big signal to the other party leaders that they need to get their shit together or be swept aside. Hopefully they fall in line to help her.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly my expectations for the Democrats is that they will ignore every red flag on their way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I live in Texas, I know the struggle, trust me.

lol obama was about as progressive as george w bush in fact he killed a lot more poor middle easterners than bush. he campaigned on a pile of lies he never planned to implement

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

You're not really disagreeing. AOC is perceived as the face of the democratic party and it's true. She's at least offering consistent resistance while the feckless leadership of the party does nothing but line their pockets and ensure 100 percent unconditional support of Israel to the determient of all else.

I don't even disagree with your conclusions necessary, if it's impossible to dislodge Pelosi and Schumer. But building a party from scratch is really fucking hard. Hijacking one might be easier.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're going to stay there making bank off of insider trading until they're so ancient someone accidentally walks through and disperses the dust cloud known as Pelosi, and they finally decide they have enough money to reach supply-side Jesus.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just insider trading? Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point. Greed itself is our new overlord, business ethics are dead and rotting.

Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point

they always have been. people have been pointing out how dems and republicans are two arms of the business party for a hundred years

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"MAKE A NEW PARTY!11111!!1"

That's not how America works. Only Democrats and Republicans can actually get elected at the level AOC plays at, because the electoral college only recognizes Democrats and Republicans.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The Whigs are still on the ballot then, right? Since no new parties are ever made, and third parties can never win, it's still Democratic-Republicans vs the Whigs in 2025, clearly.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you. A little mirth where we can find it is mandatory!

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If I can't laugh about something maddening, I'll go even crazier. I already have 4 mental health issues, I don't need to add more. My plate is full and I'm low on spoons.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I hear you, friend. I daresay too many share the experience. I've certainly been there, before, and I am in full accord. Make merry where we can, it lightens the load for a moment. Wishing you the best.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You as well, stay safe and drink plenty of water.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 21 hours ago

Thank you. I've been slacking on everything. Time to step back, regroup, and definitely drink more water.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Surely 3rd party will work this time!

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You're right. We need to get real. Those who support Democrats are just throwing their votes away. At this point, the Democratic Party has proven itself utterly incapable of winning a national election. Voting for Democrats is throwing your vote away. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Republican. We need to focus on real political parties like the Working Families Party that actually have a vision that they're trying to fight for. Democrats don't believe in anything. Democrats don't even care about winning elections. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for MAGA. Centrists may not like voting for a progressive candidate, but they need to get over themselves. If centrists want to vote for Democrats, they're choosing Fascism over Democracy.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 21 hours ago

At this juncture, a complete reboot seems necessary. The Constitution is old and more cumbersome than reasonable. We can do better.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Potentially with local elections first. Build it up from the ground up.

Not like the Green Party and Jill Stein's goofy ass.