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I want the police abolished and the prisons emptied today. I don't care what happens next.
If you're making wild suggestions, you should probably care about the effects it will have
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
You're not familiar with prison abolition? I have some links if you'd like to educate yourself. :)
the reason for my latter sentence is that any impediment stops this goal from materializing. the right will always have a worry, or question, or addition, or delay, and each of these impediments prevents achieving the end goal. that latter sentence is strictly necessary to achieve the result.
You're either being hyperbolic or you're willfully ignorant about what would happen if we did that, neither of which help your case
Your failure to imagine a successful alternative doesn't mean that the person you're talking to is ignorant.
Your imagination seems to only go as far as 'the prison doors open and anarchy occurs'. There are many alternatives to changing people's behavior that isn't simply locking them into boxes for decades at a time.
Nobody is saying that justice shouldn't be done, only that the current system is not just and doesn't improve the people that are put into it.
Why should this person need to use their imagination to legitimize someone else's argument, especially one so absurd? OP should make their own argument.
This is a person making a point. What they're talking about is pretty obvious from the text.
This is a person making an implication. They never define what 'the effects' are, they simply hanging an implication. What they mean is left up to the imagination of the reader.
Once again, they're not actually saying anything. They're not saying "what would happen if we did that" they're implying the the Person A is hyperbolic or willfully ignorant for believing... something. Something that they won't actually define.
Again, this isn't a point, this is the person implying something but never actually saying what it is.
This is a shitty conversational tactic where the person never has to take a position that can be argued against but can appear, to the ignorant, as if they are actually saying something cynical and intelligent.
I'm replying to the most obvious reading of the implication which is "If you abolish the police and prisons then there will just be criminals everywhere".
But, because of this shitty conversational tactic, of not actually stating their position, Person B can simply come back and say "Oh I didn't mean that" and move the goalposts elsewhere.
It is that person who's arguments are left to the imagination. Since they never actually say what they mean.
The first person in the conversion was pretty explicit about their position.
Don't get angry. Abolition is a good thing. It helps you. Instead, try to envision what the goal is. What do you think I'd like to achieve?