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Less interested in the AI thing, more interested in this bit nested at the bottom of the page: (h/t Jonah Aragon)

Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move.

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[–] hetzlemmingsworld@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many people wants to use AI and this is a private alternative and so feels like appropriate part of the Proton's ecosystem.

[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Private" as in only you and Proton can access the messages' unencrypted contents?

This is a far cry from any other of their products where they can't access the user's data.

https://fosstodon.org/@notesnook/114927444378333659

[–] hetzlemmingsworld@lemmings.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

"Your chats with Lumo are stored with zero-access encryption, so Proton can't see your chat history. Only you can securely access your conversations by logging in to your Proton Account."

[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Keywords being "stored" and "history".

The LLM doesn't operate with encryption, so it is served and extrudes unencrypted data.

Proton operates the LLM, meaning Proton has access to your unencrypted data.

Comparatively, Proton Drive doesn't leak your files' contents at any point, even to Proton.

[–] hetzlemmingsworld@lemmings.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The data are not logged, not used to improve the AI, as stated. https://proton.me/support/lumo

[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Stated can be a long way away from reality. That website statement can be changed at a whim and doesn't have any legal binding.

If you wanna rely on encryption to protect your privacy, you have to be encrypted/protected from the service provider too, that's what E2EE is all about, and what many of Proton's services provide, but Lumo not.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago

Where are you finding Lumo is not E2EE?