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China is “set up to hit grand slams,” longtime Chinese energy expert David Fishman told Fortune. “The U.S., at best, can get on base.”

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Articles like this are being pushed by AI CEOs and investors to force the US public to pay for grid upgrades to support their profit making. Socialize costs, privatize profits.

If, like most Americans, you've noticed an increase in your electric rates in the last year it is in no small part due to the increased demand put on the system by AI data centers. You're already paying more to prop this shit up because they're chasing gains with no regard to efficiency.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair though, pur grid is absolutely ass and held together by electrical tape and broken dreams. Because it turns out apending the 40 years gutting the public sector of everything useful and not doing proper maintainence left the US unable to adapt. I apend a lot of time in Lakewood Ohio, a trendy and high density suburb of Cleveland, and they have had weekly blackouts all year because First Energy (of corruption infamy) has refused to do the necessary upkeep.

Privatizing our utilities was a mistake

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

We need a word for the social lies that capitalism has existed on for so long

Capitalism is not efficient, in fact it is rent seeking and therefore inherently corrupt and wasteful

Capitalism isn't the only answer, and it isn't even the best current answer

The free market is not frictionless and omniscient, as it is assumed in ALL models, DECADES of market statistics prove this conclusively yet this is still a cornerstone of ALL arguments in favor of capitalism

Capitalism isn't the single source that has lifted the most people out of poverty, that is food and healtcare CHARITY programs.

It is outdated, destructive, and benefits the most vicious and cruel narcissists more than anyone.

Yet 90% of you will defend it to the death, even here on lemmy

[–] FragrantGarden@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

All while being the same asswipes gobbling up such an obscene amount of gdp that the public can't possibly pay it.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Articles like this are being pushed by AI CEOs and investors to force the US public to pay for grid upgrades to support their profit making. Socialize costs, privatize profits.

Tone of article is more about the hopeless situation for US. It correctly highlights China's humanist economics of abundance. The US, as the most corrupt country in the world, not only makes policy for insider trader benefits, but is also committed to climate terrorist interests, and climate terrorist only energy expansion.

In China, renewables are framed as a cornerstone of the economy because they make sense economically and strategically, not because they carry moral weight.

Even under Biden, war on Russia was designed to boost climate terrorism energy and capture of EU markets, including blatant sabotage of Nordstream, despite moral gesticulations supporting renewables.

To your point, every media guest, will tell us that it is a national security priority as great as nuclear weapons dominance to support the achievement of Skynet even if all electricity consumers other than trillionaire tech companies face triple electricity costs. If we are not made miserable through absolute pillage for oligarchs, then China will win, is the propaganda manipulation.

In truth, and best way to understand article, is that if you prioritize AI dominance over climate terrorism, then cheap Chinese energy (solar) and batteries is the path to quickly develop AI datacenters. Climate terrorism and consumer extortion profits is the greater priority of US policy, which infact dooms the US to lose at its Skynet utopia objective.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait, you're serious?

Of all the fucking shit in the world to fight right now, you want to fight an article that would see our power grid upgraded?

Your priorities are wrong, objectively wrong.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you really think it's going to get updated to benefit the regular people of the US when the motivation is to support the AI industry?

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It doesn't matter what the motivation is if the outcome benefits everyone involved.

We cannot stop AI companies from getting piles of investor cash to waste to use to bribe states to build their infrastructure to support them

But we will be there when the bubble bursts and all that new capacity isn't needed

Or we become the most unbalanced dystopia imaginable by man, basically a 50/50 tossup at this point