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She'd better. She joined the Dems in supporting Israel though, and if she's beholden to that party things will not change in the radical way they need to. If she doesn't run independently we cannot root out the rot.
Utterly deranged.
No you.
Don't you have Uyghur genocide to deny somewhere, fascist?
No you.
This comment section reads as fanfics. Do people in the US not realise there won’t be any more elections? A coup is unfolding by white supremacists and you’re all like “here, look, the brown female chick will right the ship”.
Go to the history section of a library before they burn them down.
So we can burn along with the books? That's an odd idea.
Not this bullshit again. Here's what I think should happen: Lemmy needs to have a cultural immune system against this kind of overtly deliberate backwards-land bullshit infesting its way into the worldview of the place, because otherwise the Lemmy people are open to being manipulated by right wing propaganda into believing all kinds of total nonsense. If you upvoted this, or you believe it, I don't really blame you necessarily, but you need to be smarter about believing everything that you see repeated a bunch of times, as if it is factual. If you see this and you know it's not true, I feel like there needs to be some kind of FAQ or something where people can point to the extensive debunking for it, without it needing to be a long factual argument (which honestly is more than the disinfo deserves) or else a short hostile exchange (which isn't productive either @pugjesus@piefed.social).
So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.
Of course, later on, she voted "no" for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.
For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.
Wonder why.
Your point is decent; my point was meant to be an indictment of the Democratic party than an AOC purity test; the Democratic party is dragging her down.
That I'll completely agree with. I was mostly responding to "she joined the Dems in supporting Israel" which is total fantasy which is being pushed by various (presumably conservative) narrative pushers who tend to emerge to try to trash leftist politicians with a variety of misconstrued or made up nonsense.
I like that she and Bernie are working together, hopefully they can come up with something which is more effective than just yelling truth at congress and having congress including the Democrats not give a shit and sabotage their best elements' future.
AOC is already completely compromised. Her genocide support has ousted her for the fraud she is.
See my comment about the MTG amendment. Just to check myself: Is that literally all you're talking about, that you are now summarizing as "her genocide support"?
You seem to lack knowledge about AOC. She pretended to cry voting for interceptors in 2020 and now she votes for them during a genocide.
You also conveniently left out AOC going on social media after the MTG amendement to explain that she fully supports sending interceptors to Israel during a genocide.
Show me the bill where she voted for them during a genocide.
I guarantee that it will be the dumb shit about the MTG amendment, which I explained in some detail (including the stuff you thought I left out, search for "said some dumb shit" in my comment). But sure, fill in my lack of knowledge, show me the vote. It's this one, right? What other one? Or just that one? It's purely from that one social media post of hers about that one vote?
Notice how you have to dishonestly defer to the word bill because she did vote on a pro genocide amendement.
You did not explain anything by the way you just pretended all accusations mean nothing when they do
If she posts one Sieg Heil she is out too. "it was just a single Roman salute bro he did not mean it like that."
Okay so just the one vote? I really do want to be completely clear about this. It's weird that you're not answering that simple question. It's just the one vote? No other bill or amendment where she voted in any way that could be construed as pro Israel in any way? It doesn't even have to be one that had any hope of passing, or that wasn't a stupid waste of time, I just want to know if there is any other one. You said I lacked knowledge so I want you to help me fill it in.
I mean, yes, if Elon Musk spent a pretty good chunk of his working life working for holocaust remembrance, worked to disarm neo-Nazi organizations, basically did his version of what AOC is doing, and then also posted one Sieg Heil, and that was the only thing he'd ever done that could be construed as a Nazi thing, I would want to know more. And then if there was some explanation that made sense I'd say okay cool, that probably doesn't mean he's a Nazi.
The issue with Elon is that he is clearly a Nazi and then also because he's a Nazi he did this Nazi thing. The issue with AOC is that she's very very clearly pro-Palestinian and various people who don't want this pro-Palestinian person in congress are trying super super hard to paint her as anti-Palestinian by spinning up this one dumb tweet into a crisis and the whole of her character. It seems like it's working, but it's a dumb and dishonest effort to me.
Does that explanation really not make sense? I feel like you're having trouble getting your head around it but it makes sense to me. Anyway, I've given it a few times, and asked a few times for you to help me see why that's not exactly what's up with AOC, and you keep talking but you do not offer any examples. Feel free to tell me any bill or amendment other than The One that AOC voted for. Since I've got a lack of knowledge you can help me with it. I don't want to go back and forth forever but feel free to tell me another time beyond this one that is now a certain Lemmy contingent's favorite thing to talk about that she's ever done.
What other one do you need? AOC literally went on social media and clarified she voted against MTG her bill because she wanted to keep sending interceptors to Israel. To make sure nobody has any doubts left. So I am not sure why you are doubting her clear intentions.
Okay, so no other examples? You can just say so, if you're lacking the knowledge of them, it's okay.
There are plenty of others. But since you refuse to concede an overwhelmingly clear one there is clearly no reason to provide any others as your only response will be 'that does not count show me others'.
That's a new one, I was sort of expecting "Do your own research!"
Carry on then, if you have no interest in providing evidence for what you're saying I don't think us interacting with each other carries any value (if it ever did).