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She joined the Dems in supporting Israel though, and if she’s beholden to that party things will not change in the radical way they need to.

Utterly deranged.

This comment section reads as fanfics. Do people in the US not realise there won’t be any more elections? A coup is unfolding by white supremacists and you’re all like “here, look, the brown female chick will right the ship”.

Go to the history section of a library before they burn them down.

Not this bullshit again. Here's what I think should happen: Lemmy needs to have a cultural immune system against this kind of overtly deliberate backwards-land bullshit infesting its way into the worldview of the place, because otherwise the Lemmy people are open to being manipulated by right wing propaganda into believing all kinds of total nonsense. If you upvoted this, or you believe it, I don't really blame you necessarily, but you need to be smarter about believing everything that you see repeated a bunch of times, as if it is factual. If you see this and you know it's not true, I feel like there needs to be some kind of FAQ or something where people can point to the extensive debunking for it, without it needing to be a long factual argument (which honestly is more than the disinfo deserves) or else a short hostile exchange (which isn't productive either @pugjesus@piefed.social).

So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.

Of course, later on, she voted "no" for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.

For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.

Wonder why.

AOC is already completely compromised. Her genocide support has ousted her for the fraud she is.

I have zero doubt the corporate oligarchs, that have ruled the USA since inception, will ensure another neoliberal is chosen to run interference on the left until the fascist dictatorship has installed enough loyalists to begin mass murdering all political and ideological opposition.

That's an unusual way to spell "reverse-chokes on his own petard", but I'll allow it.

I don't believe there are any independents any more.

Democrats need someone who can draw the Independents.

What independents?

Harris tried the "country-over-party" approach, and it turned into a "country-over party"

What independents there are remaining don't vote on policy OR appeals to their sanity and decency, so why the fuck not tack aggressively left this time instead of meekly right?

The unfortunate ratchet effect. Tea party/maga tapped an alternative group. Dems need to reframe their platform maybe AOC will be a front runner there but it may look very different. Independents may get you an election or two but they'll swing the other way unless you have something solid for them.

Who are these independents? I always see them brought up, only for them to abstain from voting or vote for Trump.

I'd rather she be VP for Walz first. I'm not ready to roll the dice again on Americans voting for a woman, and AOC in particular has been heavily demonized. Walz has the benefit of being a folksy old white dude, which seems much more electable across the board.

Our choices weren't that great tbh. The dem candidate was dishonest and had inconsistencies in what was said.

Aoc seems to have some big balls and is new and fresh. At the same time, has shown in the media long enough to be an actual champion of human rights and upholding the law.

Pete is just another neolib

Pete is a 'triangulator' of the same variety of Clinton and Harris.

Pete Buttigeg makes being gay look boring and dumb.

Pete, Gavin, or AOC would each be at least about 1000x better for us all than Trump. Any one of them would have my vote, donations, and maybe even volunteered time.