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Not this bullshit again. Here's what I think should happen: Lemmy needs to have a cultural immune system against this kind of overtly deliberate backwards-land bullshit infesting its way into the worldview of the place, because otherwise the Lemmy people are open to being manipulated by right wing propaganda into believing all kinds of total nonsense. If you upvoted this, or you believe it, I don't really blame you necessarily, but you need to be smarter about believing everything that you see repeated a bunch of times, as if it is factual. If you see this and you know it's not true, I feel like there needs to be some kind of FAQ or something where people can point to the extensive debunking for it, without it needing to be a long factual argument (which honestly is more than the disinfo deserves) or else a short hostile exchange (which isn't productive either @pugjesus@piefed.social).
So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.
Of course, later on, she voted "no" for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.
For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.
Wonder why.
Your point is decent; my point was meant to be an indictment of the Democratic party than an AOC purity test; the Democratic party is dragging her down.
That I'll completely agree with. I was mostly responding to "she joined the Dems in supporting Israel" which is total fantasy which is being pushed by various (presumably conservative) narrative pushers who tend to emerge to try to trash leftist politicians with a variety of misconstrued or made up nonsense.
I like that she and Bernie are working together, hopefully they can come up with something which is more effective than just yelling truth at congress and having congress including the Democrats not give a shit and sabotage their best elements' future.