MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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If RFA is a US propaganda tool, why do they need to plead to the US government to restore their media grant?
Well, how about you not ask them for an answer? Ask your orange turd, maybe.
At least they’re open about their direct congressional funding. Not sure what else to call it other then propaganda.
goat, I’m disappointed. I give you so much to engage with and that dumb take is what you pick? lol.
You some kind of .ml tankie alt account? Jfc maybe hide it a bit better or something.
Kay, thanks for the feedback, I guess.
Consider this: I’m not an alt. I spent more time writing with your favorite mod here, than I did reading or writing stuff on .ml. Because he’s a dishonest red scare propagandist fishing for libs. Now process this: You’re in a reactionary, progagandist community with a slant for hate speech towards people you deem political opponents. Nice place to hang out in, really.
Your account is 2 months old and almost all your posts are on this sub also talking tankie bullshit.
You don't sound like cowbee so...one of the others.
As I offered cowbee, please move to russia or DPRK or china... I'll pay for the ticket.
How many months old does my account have to be, before you stop talking like a conspiracy theorist?
And why do you think “If you like them so much, why don’t you go live there?” is in any way some kind of clever stance? Don’t you like dissenting opinions? You want them gone?
It’s true, that quite a few comments are here, it’s because you’re all such a reasonable bunch of nice folks. I want to know what makes you tick — it’s a bleak picture, tho.
JFC. 12 hours later and you’re still replying to everyone here with long winded diatribes. Probably gotta be a bot account or something. I can’t imagine a real person, unless it was a paid job, having the sheer time and devotion to a country they don’t live in to sit here and argue with each and every person.
Here’s a long-winded diatribe just for you. I hope your attention span will manage.
Everyone … in this thread, in which you inserted yourself? Bohoo. After I was offline for a couple of hours, iiiimagiiine that!
All you managed until now is complain and showcase your self-proclaimed lack of imagination.
Figure this: You’ve got no devotion, imagination for other perspectives, because all you do is consume western viewpoints in the few hours of each day, in which you are free not to fight for your existence. But imagine that, there‘s a whole world out there, and there do exist diverging opinions. I know, it‘s hard when you‘re trapped in capitalist realism (there‘s a book on that, a suggestion).
And you use the time to hang out with fascists and wanna-be fascists, ranting about a perceived enemy, the authoritarian left. Dude, you’re off the deep end.
Btw, which country am I devoted to, please tell me! China? Because I don’t put up with goat’s bullshit? You might just be an idiot.
Considering you acted like you're not an alt, but only come to this sub and have a new account... basically doing only shit an alt would do. No conspiracy theories about it.
Authoritarian opinions are not worthy of being discussed. Just like I don't give two fucks what a Nazi says, I also give no fucks what authoritarians say.
Sure thing.
That’s an unworthwhile authoritarian opinion.
So you’re of the enlightened centrist kind of flavor, equating nazism or fascism with communism, believing in horse shoe theory, fearing anything too far off of status quo?
What’s your idea how fascism rises? What is your utopia? Why are you participating in a community based on gossip, propaganda and on hate towards an outgroup? Where is your engagement against right wing extremism? Or is it the left in particular and your commentary about nazis was merely lip service?
lmao, I'm not a seppo
But this is an interesting example of how tankies operate and why you can't argue with them, or any extremist for that matter. If any source is Western, they must instantly deny it, unless they can find a way to support their position, often by omitting key details.
The key detail here is that the USAGM is independent of the US government, and that the orange turd issued an executive order directing the elimination of the USAGM, which is legally dubious and funnily enough supports Russia and China.
So again, if RFA is a US propaganda tool, why do they need to plead or sue? And why would the US willingly give up media presence in Africa?
Why you asking me about internal US affairs? The actual question is how it’s independent, if their financials are in direct dependance of the US government? What would you call a Chinese or Russian media outlet openly funded by their own governments? Oh, because democracy vs authoritarianism? lol. You keep embarrassing yourself, again.
It’s a rhetorical question, tho. The actual actual question is, why is that the one thing you get stuck on, when I gave you so much more to talk about. And you accompany it with some very nice “look what the tankies do” yapping.
Do you’ve actually got something?
That's when laws and torts come into play, giving power to go against the government, which RFA is doing. There are no laws in place that allow RT News or other state media to go against their government, and they are beholden to government departments, such as Chinese media needing to obey the Propaganda Department
To guarantee the freedom and impartiality of RFA, there is the USAGM and the firewall, and laws.
So again, if RFA is a US propaganda tool, why do they need to plead or sue?
I wonder if you actually read the stuff you link. I guess not, because it’s enough to look valid and well sourced in order to satisfy your loyal users. The few.
Just so it‘s clear: You posted an RFA article to spread some sinophobic propaganda. That‘s what I critiqued in the first paragraph of my inital answer. There were a couple more paragraphs.
But we‘re really busy now going back and forth on a validity of the claim if RFA is a US propaganda tool. And that‘s not even a controversial statement. But you‘ve got nothing and you need to cling onto that point.
Anyway, you know what else is independent? The CIA. You wouldn‘t argue that they are acting independent from or against the interests of the US of A, wouldn‘t you?
As mentioned previously in the Wikipedia article you linked it’s clear, that Trump thinks they‘re a hindrance to his power grab, because the Board was stacked with Biden appointees.
The insteresting part however is, how you need to twist yourself to argue that this media outlet is not what it was meant to be from its inception. That‘s just ridiculous and lays bare your propgandist nature. You‘re denying facts and not the first time, tho, so there‘s a pattern.
The other interesting part is, how you try to uphold any validity of US law or moral standards, which since Trump started his second term are under attack from the current autocratic and fascist reconstruction. You. Are. A. Ridiculous. Propagandist.
Or really just stuck cognitively, a useful idiot, if you really believe that.
And I‘ll call you out on it, any time I‘m bored and see your dumb takes.
So you're saying that the RFA is a US propaganda tool because the CIA is also an organisation independent from the government?
Why are you comparing an intelligence agency with one that allows for free media reporting? The CIA isn't a media company. You can't even make that comparison.
No, I’m saying you’re a funny guy.
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Dude, it’s alright, this is getting too dumb now. You cherrypick the most irrelevant point and it’s not even a good counter.
The fact that you always end up boring me to death, leaves me thinking, that you are indeed just really, really ignorant and maybe, just maybe not a propagandist. Hooray.
I’m saying that your “independent” label is worth nothing.
Good enough of a counter to shut you down completely