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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 212 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

So they're torturing her. Israel is torturing her.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 107 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.

[–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They could publicly execute her and governments around the world would still support them.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 7 points 4 hours ago

Well some of them would, because that’s how international politics works. However, a surprising number of countries have recognized Palestine, so I think the number of friends Israel has might be in a decline.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 103 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they're doing everything possible to confirm they're truly bad people, like dumbasses.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Being plain evil without pretending otherwise has worked out just fine until now, why would they stop?

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 19 points 7 hours ago

True.

And I think I have an explanation for that:

We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There's also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they'd never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.

Of course that isn't the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they've been getting from most "Western" countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.

* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It's still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Didn't they already do that once?

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 5 points 9 hours ago

Exactly! They picked one of the foolish routes instead.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 58 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Israel has no way to win in this situation.

They could have not taken her hostage.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 19 points 9 hours ago

But then more people might be willing to risk it and ride in aid. Israel definitely doesn't want that. (Not saying it's a good thing just the optics would cause them just as many problems)

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 6 points 9 hours ago

Too late for that. They screwed up.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 117 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They realize that kicking her out just means she will be on her way back on the next boat. They are trying to intimidate her into not coming back.

I hope the Swedish government has a harsh answer for one of their citizens getting kidnapped in International Waters.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 24 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

One they haven't given for genocide?

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 39 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Why does this matter? Why do they care?

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That they failed to apply last time she was "detained" by Israel?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Yes, because I hope.

So out of character!