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...again. If it sounds familiar it's not just you. But they've been back on "undecided" shortly after. Let's hope this is the actual final decision.

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[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Classical Athens punished the people who proposed evil laws with fines or way worse. But our enlightened ”democracies” just let this happen without repercussions.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

In Athens they also ostracized people the majority didn't like from the polis, which is akin to what was once civil death.

Ancient Greece (and even less Rome, where I was born) are not at all my example of an enlightened society.

The question here is much simpler: Peter Hummelgård, Danish minister of justice and main author of the new proposal, is the man who got the Danish police a customized version of Palantir's Gotham to "fight immigrant gangs".

This is a man who recently said "we must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services", obviously lapping the peanut butter off Thiel's genitals.

Lobbying needs to be better regulated, but especially people like him and everyone who voted for his party should see our fingers pointing to their faces in real life and online.

That's how you fight this, by publicly shaming people for not grasping the fundamentals of Rights Culture.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 1 points 14 hours ago

I’m not saying the Ancient Greeks were nice, but I think politicians, especially career politicians, should face drastic consequences for betraying the constitution of the countries they’re supposed to serve. And classical Athens was only a minority of rulers among people who didn’t have any rights, but their institutions had some aspects that were more robust than modern States that have no checks and balances and rely on “but no one would ever do that”.

French police and municipalities have been using illegal surveillance (like Briefcam with the facial recognition enabled) for a long time and there are also no consequences, except for the fact the surveillance is being made increasingly legal because they “need” it.