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[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t really care though. Trek is not forced into the mould of the past and TV has changed. Moreover, allegory only was able to work because the discussion wasn’t a constant lingering conversation. With the world hating trans folks, being more obvious with that acceptance will never be a bad thing. Making people feel accepted will never be a bad thing.

Which is why I was surprised when I learned Discovery made a point of it. TOS never made a point about there being a Russian on the bridge or a black woman being the third officer. TNG... honestly wasn't all that progressive for the '80s and '90s. Probably Berman's fault. DS9 never only brought up Jadzia's pansexuality in regards to Kira being comparatively close-minded, and even then regarding specific species rather than gender or sex; nobody gave a flying fuck that Dax was into someone who was currently a woman that one time, just that they had previously been married. Sisko being black similarly wasn't worthy of comment until he personally experienced the 1950s. VOY had half the command staff, including the captain, as women without a single comment. And DIS has previously shown Stamet's and Culber's relationship as completely ordinary. Part of Trek is showing us at our best, so why the change?

If Stamets was able to just be gay without it being a big deal (the representation were dying for instead of being a clown for entertainment) then why can’t Adira?

The relationship between Stamets and Culber was one of my favorite parts of Disco's first season until they fridged Culber. It was cute watching Stamets go from his usual prickly self to just melting whenever he talked about Culber. Culber was woefully underdeveloped until the second season, though.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is why I was surprised when I learned Discovery made a point of it. TOS never made a point about there being a Russian on the bridge or a black woman being the third officer.

I think there's a big disconnect here that just was overlooked. Not saying you did it on purpose or anything, it's just easy to not see the differences, especially with the difference in time. You're right in that they never made it a big deal about those specific characters (granted they sort of did with moments like Lincoln and Uhura) but it's because the story didn't need to make it a big deal to get the point across. They're all visible minorities. Uhura is black, Sulu is Japanese and the Russian guy sounds like a Russian. But sexuality is not visible. At least not unless you make it so on purpose.

Adira was being called she/her for the first few episodes they were there because of that reason. No one is ever going to know that they're non-binary unless they say it. They then had a singular fucking line where they said I prefer they/them. Like... this is why I got frustrated before because that is going out of its way to not make a point of it. There was a singular scene with a singular line. It's maddening to hear people say that they drew any attention at all when they went out of their way to give it as little attention as possible. The character had already been introduced and to reflect someone accepting who they are (with both the trill and their sexuality) they had a 30 second scene (I just timed it). This is why so many people, like myself, get upset when people say that this was not needed. It absolutely was and by denying that type of representation in the series and denying the chance of someone to be able to come out utterly denies that chance of representation for people watching it. It feels really shitty. Again, I'm not trying to say you are intentionally doing this or that you are at all but that this is how it feels to people like myself. People who have been watching Star Trek for years and finally get a chance to see ourselves on the screen only for people to come in and argue about whether or not the first time someone like us ever seen on screen is appropriate when they're not even part of that community.

The relationship between Stamets and Culber was one of my favorite parts of Disco’s first season until they fridged Culber. It was cute watching Stamets go from his usual prickly self to just melting whenever he talked about Culber. Culber was woefully underdeveloped until the second season, though.

So, fun fact. Culber was always intended to die in Season 1 and be resurrected in Season 2. Not something I personally like or agree with but I do find it interesting. That's why Culber didn't get much in the run of character development until he was brought back, in which case they overpivoted to focusing on him a lot more than Stamets during Season 2 for that stuff. The one thing that did bother me was Stamets being completely incapable of losing people over and over again. Like having a hard time dealing with it, sure, but he took it way too hard way too many times. Thank fuck they retconned a part of it at the end of Season 3. He was staring at Burnham like he hated her for blasting him out of the airlock to protect the ship but Season 4 he's just business as usual.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Adira was being called she/her for the first few episodes they were there because of that reason. No one is ever going to know that they’re non-binary unless they say it. They then had a singular fucking line where they said I prefer they/them. Like… this is why I got frustrated before because that is going out of its way to not make a point of it. There was a singular scene with a singular line. It’s maddening to hear people say that they drew any attention at all when they went out of their way to give it as little attention as possible.

Ah, I actually thought it was a longer, more emotional scene from the way I've seen it talked about, or even the focus of an episode. A quick comment is basically exactly how I would have expected Trek to handle that. I mean, yeah, gender isn't always visible, especially for non-binary folks, so it needs to be mentioned.

So, fun fact. Culber was always intended to die in Season 1 and be resurrected in Season 2. Not something I personally like or agree with but I do find it interesting.

I really didn't like Berg and Harberts as showrunners. They had a serious penchant for melodrama and I found it suspicious that they claimed everything viewers didn't like was Fuller's fault, even in episodes produced long past when Fuller left. And that was before we found out how they were treating the staff. Killing a character for shock value while intending to revive them later very much sounds like them.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Ah, I actually thought it was a longer, more emotional scene from the way I’ve seen it talked about, or even the focus of an episode. A quick comment is basically exactly how I would have expected Trek to handle that. I mean, yeah, gender isn’t always visible, especially for non-binary folks, so it needs to be mentioned.

Oh nah, it was extremely short. Take a look here. Adira first starts coming out at 20 seconds and at 48 seconds it cuts to a different scene of Culber and Hugh talking about Adira. Just using they/them pronouns with no big deal. Grey, Adira's Trill boyfriend is a trans man too. There's a couple of lines that he says that are off hand references about being trans. Clearly there to be like "Trans representation!" but not enough to be like "MASSIVE BIG DEAL!" Especially because Grey's whole experience was radically different from Adira's.

I really didn’t like Berg and Harberts as showrunners. They had a serious penchant for melodrama and I found it suspicious that they claimed everything viewers didn’t like was Fuller’s fault, even in episodes produced long past when Fuller left. And that was before we found out how they were treating the staff. Killing a character for shock value while intending to revive them later very much sounds like them.

Part of it was shock value from them but it was also talked about by, I think it was, Michelle Paradise. They wanted to use it for a variety of different things. It was a bit tone deaf for sure but it wasn't just the chucklefucks. And yeah... almost nothing was Fuller's fault. Especially when Fuller's whole vision of Discovery was radically different at the start. He wanted American Horror Story but Star Trek. That's why the registry ID is 1031. 10-31. Halloween. Dude has a hard on for scary stuff. Got some tastes of that with the tardigrade/Glenn episode (that was great) and some psychological horror with Mudd timelooping murder and the Agonizer booths looking more terrifying than they ever have though.