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What’ll really blow you’re mind is when you realize we aren’t even honest with ourselves either.
Your mask you show to others is no more fake than the mask you show to yourself.
That is not universal, some of us have actually thought about things for a long time and are honest with ourselves.
I try to be honest with myself about everything, but I'm also honest with myself that sometimes I subconsciously avoid thinking about things consciously anyway
Acknowledging that sometimes you avoid thinking about certain things is part of being honest with yourself, even when it is subconcious. Being aware of who you are doesn't automatically change anything.
Wrong person sorry
I find being honest with myself to be easy anymore. It's not something I've always been good at but I've worked on it. Understanding myself is still hard at times. If I'm feeling a certain way about something, sometimes I have to pause for a while to think about why.
Example: the wife and I have an argument about something (which is rare) and I take offense to something she said. She never says anything with the intent of offending me. I know this even though I'm feeling angry. Instead of just reacting in anger, I like to put a pause on the discussion, be alone for a while, and think about why I was offended.
The reasons vary but I pretty much always figure it out, after which I'm ready to resume the discussion with, it nothing else, a little more clarity.
My friend I’ve thought about who I am for 20 years. You are not honest with yourself if you believe you are honest with yourself.
People meditated on mountains for decades to be honest with themself. You didn’t accomplish that on Tuesday. Neither have I.
We get closer but to truly reach that point… we probably zero-sum and cease to be.
We learn to lie before we learn to speak. It’s part of all of us. You can’t escape it unfortunately. It is the default setup.
Maybe you're just really bad at it?
Yeah I kinda suck at grand spiritual enlightenment. Glad you figure it out. Any tips would be appreciated.
I know that was sarcasm, but stop thinking about it in pseudoscientific religious nonsense terms like "spiritual" and "*enlightenment".
You're a human, humans can be figured out, we're not magic.
“Stop thinking about-“
No. I’ll continue thinking if it’s all the same to you. About everything all the time.
I continue working to enlightenment. Magic and all. It would be great if you could just let me know how you achieved enlightenment but if not I just keep thinking about things. Like people do. You know… like the human brain does lol
I personally am in the camp that people should think more but I don’t want to make a this political.
Let me break down that comment.
So, you want to feel better about yourself, but only through supernatural means?
And when I point out that that is getting in your way to achieving what you call "enlightenment", you not only straight il refuse, but insist that magic is definitely a potential correct path.
And you cover it all with a nice sauce of insulting my intelligence.
You have a VERY long road ahead, and you're currently walking at a right angle to it.
That is a load of self defeating bullshit.
It is often difficult, but not impossible, to be honest with ourselves. Hell, there might even be things we didn't consider because they slipped our minds, like whether we acted in a selfish way or not when we were 10 years old, but that doesn't mean we are not being honest with ourselves. Being honest means that when we do think about something specific, we can consider our thoughts and actions and not hardwave them away without thought. It also acknowledges that things are often complicated and how we see things and how others perceive us doesn't align.
But being honest doesn't mean perfectly perceiving everything, it means actually thinking things through and not letting our pride or other hang ups get in the way of introspection.
I stopped reading at self defeating. “ we can do better” isn’t self defeating it’s recognizing an issue lol.
Saying that it is impossible to be honest with one's self is self defeating. The rest of the post explains why, but if you can't get past someone disagreeing with you then I can see why you struggle with the idea of being able to be honest with yourself.
Being honest with ourselves is how we can improve.
I didn’t say it’s impossible. I didn’t say you can’t be honest with yourself. I said if you think you don’t lie to yourself you need more introspection.
You can disagree with me as much as you like, that doesn’t mean I need to be silent on your arguments.
If I say you’ll never ride a dragon I don’t feel that’s me being negative. If you say you’ll ride dragons all the times I want some information from you…. That’s not an easily attainable thing that people just stumble apon. I have questions lol.
You’re talking about reaching a state of pure inner peace… please elaborate how you attained such knowledge?
I thought about things a lot and accepted my faults and bad habits without excuses.
I know exactly who I am and am at peace with being less than perfect, but aware of what I need to do to be better. Knowing doesn't guarantee success though, sometimes it requires constant work.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about with the dragons. If you mean Komodo dragons, I sure wouldn't ride those as they are fucking dangerous.
You are playing fast and lose in this game. It’s a philosophical exercise. I didn’t say people can’t accept themselves for who they are.
Let’s bring back the dragons. You mentioned “do you mean Komodo?” No I mean fire breathing dragons. Possibly ice dragons.
I was referring to being totally honest with yourself in a way monks have trouble achieving, not trying out a risky hat.
That’s why I was so confused . You and another guy are like “yeah I got that”… wait what? You have elitenment? You ride an ice dragon? Tell me more immediately.
It sounds like you’re doing good. I personally and having some set backs in my path to enlightenment (obviously) but it sounds like we’re both working on it. We just had a misunderstanding.
I was being more literal than you or something. If it makes you feel better I was never mad just confused “you attained enlightenment?!… can you show me?… no? That’s sucks”
Final edit: read my words agin but instead of thinking I. A troll remember I’m just a dude drinking and posting during breaks from family. I’ve been told I sound aggressive in texts but I’m just talking. Not starting world war 3. And I’m pretty sure you aren’t a monk. Almost positive.
If you’re a monk you are required by law to tell me… in Jesus name. Amen…
(Stares accusingly)
Being honest with myself: They don't exist so you really can't decide how you would interact with them.
Yes, I am enlightened.
At want point do individual grains of rice become a pile?
What did nothing sound like?
If I see a yellow flower am seeing yellow rejected?
If I’m not what came before me and not what comes after what’s the meaning of choice?
A couple simple questions for the enlightened.
When there are enough, which changes depending on circumstances. Many things are approximates and understanding that there is no correct answer is gaining true understanding.
We will never truly know what nothing sounds like because our ears and our sense of touch that feels sound vibrations pick up our own internal noises made by biology. We can approach the sound of nothing, but we will never be able to hear it as long as we have senses.
How we perceive colors is scientifically defined as the colors being absorbed and not really a thought experiment like the first two. A fun question would be what prompts plants to create new colors?
Choice has the value we give it, nothing more. We are one small species on a planet in a solar system in a galaxy that is part of a galaxy cluster that is part of the overall universe. When life on Earth fades away the universe and everything in it will move on, and the only meaning that exists is that which we create in our minds.
There is a lot of peace in knowing that nothing truly has meaning, because it means we actually make those choices out of free will and not because there are no universal right and wrong choices.
How does the mountain help one be honest with themselves?
height radiation and also oxygen deprivation causes hallucinations which can have a psychedelic effect and help you figure things out about yourself that you wouldn't otherwise know. also it helps that historically, there used to be very few distractions on a mountain because it was mostly un-inhabited.
If I could answer that I’d write a book. I’d make million dollars and never count it lol.
My point is simple tho, it’s not just as simple as “oh I don’t do that anymore. I never lie to myself”
Dude tell me everything?! Where’s your book? Do you have a commune I could attend?
This is profound information the world itself has been searching for and you have it? Tell me, please?
i think the reason why you feel like you have to go on lying and can't be honest with yourself is because you're worried that you're just like the wind, when it stops blowing, it ceases to exist, because it turns into thin air. and the lies are what keep you going.
Introspection isn’t what keeps me going. It’s a hobby.
God I wish I had a very strained pun to reply with.
To summit all up, you get a peak at your inner... self?
We can workshop it, there might be something there.
Then we can figure out the appropriate pun