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Even without considering any of the mitigating factors here, it is insane that British courts upheld the decision to stripe a citizen of their citizenship.
If she's committed a crime then repatriate her, arrest her, and try her in a court of law for whatever crime she's alleged to have committed.
Frankly, everyone involved in the decision to strip her citizenship should be arrested and prosecuted, irrespective of whether or not she's ever found guilty of any crimes.
While I'm not enthusiastic about the idea of stripping citizenship as a general principle
so many other legal rights rest upon that
the UK doesn't have constitutional restrictions on doing so the way the US does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vance_v._Terrazas
...and in fact has law explicitly permitting the Home Secretary to do so if he wants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality,_Immigration_and_Asylum_Act_2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration,_Asylum_and_Nationality_Act_2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_and_Borders_Act_2022
In Begum's case, there was particular controversy, because the UK is signatory to international treaties that it will not strip a single national's citizenship, and it was very questionable whether Begum was a dual national; the UK took the position that she was, whereas Bangladesh, which was supposed to be the country of which she was a dual national, did not consider her to be a Bangladeshi national. My own view is that countries should be considered authoritative on whether-or-not a person holds citizenship there; doing otherwise would lead to all kinds of legal problems, like being able to deny consular access to foreign nationals ("you aren't really a citizen of that country") and such, so the UK should have accepted Bangladesh's position on Begum's nationality.
But there's also the broader question of whether a government should be able to strip citizenship at all. In the US, the answer is "no", but, well, that ain't how the UK presently works.
That's because UK doesn't have a constitution.
neither does the US, clearly
wonder who's the idiotic twat who downvoted you. you're 100% correct.
saying "the UK lacks constitutional restrictions" is such a daft thing to say.
like saying "I didn't meet with the United States prime minister"
Off topic but you can check upvotes and downvotes here:
https://lemvotes.org/
It's a lot closer to saying "the USA lacks the problems associated with hereditary monarchy which the UK has". The worst you could say is that it's slightly redundant.
(Plus of course the UK has a constitution, it's just not codified in a single document. But that has no bearing either way)
UK does NOT have a constitution and "unwritten" thing is an utter nonsense.
I'm not sure why you've put "unwritten" in quotes, given that neither of us said it, but this recent document from the commons library lays out fairly comprehensively how the UK does have a constitution, most of it written down.
From the introduction:
Send me a copy so I can read it since it is not unwritten.
Complete nonsense. This is not what a constitution is.
Constitution is a set law with the mechanics to amend it which needs higher threshold than an ordinary law, thus protecting the fundamental principles from a potential radical irresponsible parliaments.
UK does NOT have a constitution, it merely have constitutional conventions. If you don't believe me, belive Lord Nuremberg, the President of UK supreme Court:
When a country has a constitution, parliament of the day cannot change the law at will. It must change the constitution first or to ensure any changes are in line with existing constitution.
Scotland is a prime example. UK Parliament may decide tomorrow to remove any existing Scottish autonomy and to dissolve Scotland's Parliament. That wouldn't be the case if Scotland's autonomy was protected by the constitution.
The same goes for human rights BTW. Fascists of all kinds want to remove UK from ECHR because this is the only thing which can override the will of Parliament of the day. That wouldn't be the case if human rights were protected by the constitution.
UK does not have any constitution. It has conventions which, unlike any civilised country do not even ensure proper separation of powers.
You can either have a sovereign parliament, ie parliament which can decide literally anything ("let's remove rights we don't like!") or you can have a constitution - but you cannot have both as the constitution is above a parliament.
That's true if you only interpret constitution as "codified constitution", certainly.
But the point is still true if you replace "constitutional restrictions on doing so" with "constitutional conventions against doing so" or even simply "a history of protecting citizens against it", so I'm not sure what you're ultimately trying to argue here.
The context you took issue with was:
Read again and have a think. Without deluding yourself, ideally.
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an "unwritten" constitution is like my Canadian girlfriend, shes real. you just can't see her
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that would be, "King of America fails to appear", he simply isn't there.
I'm way out of my comfort zone here and not in an area I know much about, but I should imagine there's no single universal register of who is a citizen of where. Each country keeps their own records and rules. I do wonder what the process is though. Would the UK home secretary speak to the ambassador, or is it based on assumptions. It kind of feels like there was no communication between the two countries, not one both agreed on anyway.
That doesn't work, because they haven't done anything illegal.
The good news is that the current home secretary could decide that it would be for the good of the country to strip them all of their citizenship, and do that.
Agree. Looking at your username, are you a political commentator?