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Framework 13 all the way
I cancelled my framework 16 order because of their "big tent" policy meaning they give funding to Hyperland and Omarchy, I will not give my money to people who fund racists
Eh, I get it, but you can't win every battle.
I have a 16 and a 13. I bought them both before that thread.
I am not expecting my single cancellation to make the slightest difference to their policy, they already made it clear that they are quite happy funding racists when multiple people have challenged them over it, and with one of their larger pots of cash they give out as well.
What I am getting out of is knowing I am not (indirectly) funding racists myself, rather than knowingly funding racists. I do not see it any different from buying products from Musk, if you did it ages ago then fine, but after, thats something else entirely.
I get it, but also if I stopped buying everything from every racist / racist supporter, I would have no real options for laptops generally speaking.
Michael Dell is a complete and total Trump supporter. Should I buy an XPS?
Tim Cook designed and delivered a custom award to Trump. Knowing this, should I buy an Apple?
I understand wanting to vote with your dollars but in practice there are few or no ethical options for many things that you can buy.
I wouldn't buy a Dell because I wouldn't trust the hardware, his position is just the icing. Whole reason I wanted the framework was because I wanted something to last a very long time, I simply do not trust Dell to provide support or parts long term.
The Tim Apple situation hurt, as I really liked the apple silicon for build quality and I had an old Intel Macbook that did indeed last a very long time (still boots even now). However their RAM/Storage pricing for what is an essential amount of storage for me mean even without Timmys boot licking making them a non starter.
I wont buy Nvidia because of their shitty Linux support, Huang being an absolute womble
Lenovo is about as good as you getting for a mainstream brand, and they are ultimately owned by the CCP so meh.
I think with Framework it particularly hurts as at least with Dell or Apple they are quite openly rimming Trump because it will give them competitive advantage and tax cuts while they never really pretended to be for the public good.
WTF do Framework get by supporting Hyperland or Omarchy? Its literary supporting your racist uncle who makes moonshine for half a dozen people when you set yourself up to be an ethical alternative whose current market is more likely to be ethical seeking. Imagine if Oxfam or Doctors without Borders started supporting Trump? World of difference from the NRA supporting Trump due to the starting position.
In addition to being owned by the CCP, they purposely installed rootkits on consumer hardware for intense data gathering, and it ended up getting compromised.
I dont use factory installed images from anybody, mostly because of this shit. I also dont use windows, not that I would trust a factory installed Linux either
Didn't the superfish certificate install itself from UEFI even if you used your own windows image?
Really? Where you read that?
What I remember it was an app you could uninstall and then you had to clean up the certificate install. It was part of the factory image and would get installed as part of that. Lenovo provided instructions to remove it.
But again, I don't use factory images or windows.
Looking it up I cant seem to find it, so I might be wrong. It may not have been lenovo but I remember news years ago about some OEM getting caught doing that.
Yeah I am pretty certain you are tbh, I think you mixing up uefi certificate updates with root kits that are part of the factory image or other installed bloatware from the manufacturer.
Now if you were talking about vpro or other low level management I could believe it, but thats intel and avoidable...
Yeah, the whole situation sucks. I totally agree and wish that framework would reconsider their position on the matter.
The country is basically unrecognizable at this point IMO. The capitulation that has occurred so quickly in the second Trump term was stunning to behold. For a vast array of industries (computers being one of them), every reasonably ethical option feels like it flew out the window.
I plan on going for a used Lenovo, something with as many generic, replaceable components as possible with as little soldered to the motherboard as I can get away with. I trust the workplace models to be more reliable and supportable long term than anybody else.
That way Lenovo do not see a penny of my money and I will only have a very very small upward impact on used prices due to the volumes of used Lenovos sold.
You could go used framework as well if any of those exist. You'd have to buy from eBay or something in order to satisfy your position.
I'd recommend the 13 over the 16.
Yeah my countries market for used frameworks is tiny, I would be paying a significant premium if I could find one and likely getting one of the less desirable (to me) older models. I also really want a 16/15" device so its kind of limiting.
Gotcha, well best of luck to you
Which looked like a gold-plated plastic turd, but Trump likely can't recognize that with his absence of taste. Apple so obviously could make something better-looking that I've had a solid chuckle seeing that shit, and my opinion of Apple hadn't moved. In exchange for that piece of crap they've gotten Trump to lay his mitts off tariffs on what Apple needed, so sounds like a job well done to me. It's not Apple's business to topple an idiot that stupid USian public elected.
The turd was just the icing on top of the shit cake dude. They gave that jack off millions of dollars.
Welp, then I guess you're the type of customer they fully deserve.
How many millions did they give? I know of the one million for the inauguration. Do you think one million is much money for either Apple or Trump?
Keep apologizing for Tim Apple! 🍏🍎
I mean ideally I wish nobody would give Trump money, but I believe it was understood at the time that if you're running a large tech company and you want it to still exist after the Trump inauguration, you give him a million dollars as a present. Hence why they all did it, million dollars each.
Kinda shit situation to be in where the incoming president can just fuck everything up for your trillion dollar company out of spite, so the million dollar bribe suddenly seems like a literal cost of doing business, no different from taxes or material costs.
Of course as someone who is NOT running a trillion dollar company, it would've been more hilarious to see them all reject Trump and then squirm.
It wasn't "understood". They all wanted to stand on the dais. They all unbanned him from the platforms. They all threw their weight behind him as a candidate.
They are supporters of his. The whole "boo hoo, I only run a trillion dollar company so I cannot stand up to Trump" is a horse shit ass, bitch ass excuse. These people have more access to wealth, legal help, and other resources than any other people in history. They chose this. Some of them capitulated, and some of them collaborated, but it's a distinction without a difference in my opinion.
Such argument, very informative, wow. Maybe don't attempt an argument if you don't actually have anything to say.
Such idiot, very blocked, wow.
Thank you for your position. While I appreciate the framework idea, and stated mission — in reality I don’t trust them, so I don’t mix the mission with them, the mission is valuable, them, I wouldn’t be so sure — I feel the same. I don’t want to support them now. It’s a complicated situation we’re in, regarding the state of the tech, but I don’t like this ‘we have to help them, just because we can unscrew their backpanel easily.’ The modules isn’t something I’m impressed with, I think that’s overthinking. I’d rather have a tiny laptop with nothing and a huge laptop with everything. Looks like Apple got this.
I do not trust them either, not after this.
The apple silicon looks amazing, it would be my choice if I didn't really dislike Tim Apple, and Apples excessive price gouging with storage and RAM pushing what would be a usable model for my requirements up significantly.
Equipping the base laptop with 256Gb of storage in the current year then charging how much to jump to even 512Gb, which is still pretty small amount, is a piss take.
They are are bad for RAM upgrade pricing, at least the base model has 16Gb. With both storage and RAM being soldered on, you are stuck either using external drives or cloud storage.
Second hand would be my pick, that way Apple do not see a penny of the money.
What’s wrong with Omarchy?
DHH is pretty fucking racist, white replacement theory is right up there with the worst of racist beliefs
https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
I'm a little miffed with framework actually.
I had a order with them that they chose to cancel because they just randomly charged the account one day months after I had pre-ordered something, and there wasn't enough money in the account because I didn't know when they were going to charge for it. They didn't contact me or anything, they just cancelled the order. Thanks guys.
Edit: Deleted an extra word
I never ordered a Framework before but I'm planning to do this year. Isn't that how it's supposed to be? Last time I visited their site it was written that you pay a reserve price at the time of order, then they charge your card later with the remainig price before they ship it.
Right but who has like three grand just sitting in a checking account, that shit in a savings account because I'm not Bill Gates and I need every penny I can get from the interest? If they're not going to tell you at the time that you pre-order when they're going to bill you, then they need to contact you ahead of time or that's going to keep happening.
I mean, I have that in my account. But I'm also paranoid about bounced checks and don't see the appeal of getting a nickel a month in exchange for worrying about something suddenly eating my float and causing bounced checks.
The interest rate on the checking account tied to my checking is not great...
Dude use a credit card.
Since when are there savings accounts with interest rates worth even calculating? The interest rate on my savings account is down at 0.01%.
Excuse me everybody, I just wanted to intercept and say that if that was written as Bill fucking Gates, that would be so much funnier :)
Literally no one does it like that...no one. You place an order for something that's backordered, they also don't charge you until it's shipped, and you won't get notified beforehand either.
Notify me would literally be an email they couldn't even be bothered to do that.
You would have thought they actually wanted the three grand, like contacting me cost cost them nothing and they didn't do it they just cancelled the order.
I cannot express this part enough, the time between the pre-order and them charging me was like 5 months. I'm not going to keep massive amounts of money in a personal account for months on end just so they can randomly charge for it on a arbitrary Wednesday afternoon that's ridiculous.
That sucks. I've also had mixed experiences with their support arm but the hardware and designs are pretty top notch. It really is nice to buy a laptop that isn't inevitably headed for the landfill in five years.
Yes, but jokes aside, it seems like you can find whatever you need for MacBooks from circa 2010 to 2012. At least, when I needed something, I could find it without issues.
I prefer my to buy computers from companies that aren't actively combating repairability efforts for their products and purposefully making them prematurely obsolete.
And those are…
Framework for one, but just about any other computer maker is better by that metric.
While I agree, I’d like Apple (and others) to make repairability better (or even exist), but as an owner of quite a lot of Apple tech, it’s very well made, usually. Until it breaks, obviously, but it breaks less than a random cheap brand. At least for me. Any other computer maker is rather unable to lock down the devices the same way. I bet they’d happily do so, if given the opportunity. Plenty of modern laptops with non-swappable memory and even SSDs.