THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
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② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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They have a legal basis if they are being impeded from their work. Impeded does not mean stopped.
No They Don't.
You are fucking wrong.
Further... they were not actually impeded.
Their vehicles, the size of her vehicle, where and how it was positioned in the road?
They could have driven around her.
Instead, they pulled up, dismounted, and surrounded her, tried to remove her from the vehicle.
They have no authority to do that to just anyone who happens to be parked badly.
ICE can only act to inhibit a person not immediately related to the specific warrant they are actively carrying out if said person is clearly, knowingly, intentionally inhibiting the execution of that specific warrant.
That's obstruction of justice, which they can actually arrest/detain someone for.
That is not what occured here.
Being annoying toward ICE, swearing at them, flipping them off, filming them, having a badly parked car in the middle of the road...
None of that rises to obstruction of justice.
There is no valid legal authority by which any Federal LEO can do what those degenerate murderous filth just did.
Again, you are fucking wrong.
The guy you're replying to is a fucking idiot. He keeps claiming I accused him of saying something because I asked him if he did. And the only reason I asked is because of his shitty wording that seemed to imply she got what she deserved.
... why double down when you can ... what, quintuple down, instead?
Oh well, adult US literacy rates are shockingly low these days, I guess.